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throw-the-towellast Saturday at 6:13 PM11 repliesview on HN

Not taking sides here, just trying to steelman: some Venezuelans might be so done with Maduro, that they consider US getting the oil profits to be a fair price.


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Arainachlast Saturday at 6:25 PM

This is all irrelevant - it's completely unacceptable for the US President to send the military into another without Congressional approval, and to kidnap a leader at all (especially without a declaration or war or UN authorization).

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svntlast Saturday at 6:32 PM

Completely irrelevant what “some Venezuelans might” want and literally can be used to justify anything if you accept it as a premise.

For example:

Not taking sides here, just trying to steelman: some Americans might want to sell their relatives into sex trafficking.

taveraslast Saturday at 6:26 PM

Can you qualify “some Venezuelans” in any meaningful way?

This framing implies that the US administration considered US or Venezuelan public opinion before taking this action.

We have no evidence of that.

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KaiserProlast Saturday at 8:58 PM

Some Taiwanese will welcome china,

Some ukrainians welcomed russia,

some polish will welcome russia,

some estonians will welcome russia

etc etc etc.

Look, you don't just regime change, It didn't work in Iraq, Libya, Afghanistan. It only really kinda worked in Kosovo, but even then it was touch and go, require lots of troop time and a load of money and ongoing international police.

4MOAisgoodenuflast Saturday at 8:20 PM

“We will be greeted as liberators”

Has not come to fruition for previous US regime change operations.

This kidnapping operation doesn’t give insight one way or the other into the will of the Venezuelan people. It, in fact, completely disregards it.

ModernMechlast Saturday at 7:14 PM

This is exactly what Putin said about Ukrainians living in the Donbas.

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miltonlostlast Saturday at 6:26 PM

Some of the Austrians Wanted Hitler to annex them!

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toofylast Saturday at 8:00 PM

if we’re going to steelman we have to acknowledge that many venezualans liked him too.

we can’t simultaneously say we don’t like corruption of socialist governments while literally bombing another nation and imprisoning political enemies just so we can have its oil for our cronies.

tootielast Saturday at 6:31 PM

Trump said Machado doesn't have support to be leader and endorsed Maduro's VP as willing to work with the US. It seems unlikely the Venezuelan people are going to see any benefits here. They will get more of the same.

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autoexeclast Saturday at 6:35 PM

Trumps approval rating isn't great either but I doubt many people would see that as justification for another country kidnapping him in the middle of night to charge him with "has an army with machine guns" before taking American oil

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achenetlast Saturday at 6:21 PM

On top of that, I don't think the common Venezuelan laborer was getting much benefit out of the Maduro regime capturing the oil wealth. From the point of view of the less fortunate, there isn't much difference between a Venezuelan elite enriching themselves off the local oil vs an American elite enriching themselves off the local oil.

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