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nospicelast Saturday at 7:03 PM5 repliesview on HN

I don't understand what you're saying here. First, yep, countries act in self-interest. There's no war in the history of the planet that was started out of the kindness of one's heart. That doesn't mean that the outcome of a self-interested intervention can't be just or good for the country in the long haul. I don't know how this one will pan out, but I suspect that the interests of the US and of the citizens of Venezuela are aligned much more closely than, say, in the Middle East.

Second, you're portraying US as a malicious actor operating in a vacuum. The reality is that there's a fierce competition between superpowers to broaden their spheres of influence and ultimately control the world. There's no future in which a relatively small, resource-rich, and politically dysfunctional country is left to its own devices. The choice is between Russia, China, and the US. Venezuela was more or less one of the Russian client states, and that status quo was maintained through undemocratic means, including mass murder of political opponents using the military gear provided by RU. Now, the US is going to try its hand, probably in a far less brutal way.


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cirwyzlast Saturday at 8:46 PM

The US regime hates Maduro because he kept Venezuelan oil nationalized so it can be benefit the Venezuelan people rather than foreign shareholders of oil companies. Although US sanctions intended to choke their economy and bring about regime change have made that difficult in practice.

The interests of the US imperialists and the Venezuelan people therefore could not be more diametrically opposed.

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megouslast Saturday at 7:35 PM

All this guessing is based on historical examples of results of US involvement in Americas, I presume?

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swat535last Sunday at 10:55 PM

> I don't understand what you're saying here.

You clearly did, US is acting out of pure self interest and pretending otherwise.

> Second, you're portraying US as a malicious actor operating in a vacuum

Invading a foreign nation, stealing their resources and imprisoning thier leader is a malicious act, no matter how you slice it.

Just because there are other competitors or good "may" come out of it (so you say), doesn't justify it.

The mental gymnastics by Americans to position themselves as "liberators", while bombing other countries and stealing their territory / resources is stunning.

8notelast Saturday at 10:21 PM

reality has been a rules based order where states voluntary agreements with each other, not spheres of influence.

this is a change to how russia wants the world to work

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tecleandorlast Saturday at 7:32 PM

So, the taken is, as China and Russia are very evil, it's OK if the US is evil (but just a bit less than the other actors).

I though they (the US?) were aiming to be better. Like, the "great" in MAGA wasn't like in "great empire". /s

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