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RivieraKidlast Saturday at 7:14 PM11 repliesview on HN

It's a win-win, it's good for Venezuelans and US wants the country to become an ally. People behind the decision probably took both into account.

In principle, it's morally good to overthrow a dictator in some circumstances. The most obvious example is North Korea - if the US had the ability to transition that country into democracy with little risk of something going wrong, they should obviously do that.


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Quothlinglast Saturday at 7:38 PM

> It's a win-win

Bold statement considering the history.

win-win: Panama, Grenada.

not win-win: Brazil, El Salvador, Bolivia, Iran, Nicaragua, Chile, Haiti, Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya.

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etra0last Saturday at 7:32 PM

Well, last time the US intervened in my country it was to actually install a dictator that would benefit them.

It's too early to say it's a win-win situation.

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pikerlast Saturday at 8:30 PM

It’s surprising how hard it is for some people to understand this. Yes oil blah blah. A few billion bucks, but the much bigger picture is (at least in this theory) Venezuela gets a democracy and the U.S. gets a stable strategic partner in an important part of its back yard. I’m not evaluating it yet, but there is definitely a bull case for this move on the geopolitical level.

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relaxinglast Saturday at 7:32 PM

The most obvious example is a fantasy in your mind.

The most obvious counter-example is the entire history of unilateral regime change.

coffeefirstlast Saturday at 8:04 PM

The US has not conducted a successful nation building project since WWII. This is not a coincidence. We don't have the capability.

Killing the dictator is the easy part.

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hvb2last Saturday at 9:03 PM

> The most obvious example is North Korea - if the US had the ability to transition that country into democracy with little risk of something going wrong, they should obviously do that.

So let's say they take out Kim jong Un...

Now you have a country where every living being from their birth has been trained that US is bad and their leader is like God on earth.

Your 'little risk of something going wrong' is wishful thinking or naive

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skeptic_ailast Saturday at 7:36 PM

Wouldn’t NK say the same against US? Are we the good guys? Or they are? Or nobody?

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mint5last Saturday at 8:58 PM

If only it were that easy…

Overthrowing a dictator most often gets either a new dictator or years of brutal violence and turmoil

Were you in favor of the Iraq war?

pbhjpbhjlast Saturday at 8:10 PM

This is "we don't let poor people have money because they'll only get fat if they have food to eat" levels of rhetoric.

USA military should be taking heed of their own country's laws before pretending to be enforcing laws in other countries in order to further enrich their oligarchy.

Sure, remove the NK dictator that USA is partly responsible for being put in to power ... but only with international agreement and a plan for rapid move to have open elections. USA is in no place to do this given the lack of democracy there.

Do you really believe the story about freeing Venezuelan's? You're in for a surprise then when USA rapes them for their oil.

mrtksnlast Saturday at 8:13 PM

How would you feel if Iran captures Trump, a convicted felon with no respect to the rule of the law, running crypto schemes from the office and with proved connections to a pedophile ring trafficking and planning for a 3rd therm and staying in the office for life?

I’m sure a lot of Americans will be celebrating it on the streets. Will that be a win win too?

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tecleandorlast Saturday at 7:32 PM

Is it?