logoalt Hacker News

carlosjobimlast Saturday at 8:37 PM5 repliesview on HN

There are different categories of crimes and violations.

You can call it "The penal code", "Common law", or "Crimes" (as opposed to violations).

And in almost all countries in the world the list is the same and has been for hundreds of years: Murder, robbery, theft, rape, battery and so on.

Do you think people walking the streets of Washington DC are less safe because of crimes such as those Trump was convicted of? Or are their main concern murder, robbery, theft, rape, battery and such?

Edit: Of course my comment nets a hacker down vote instead of a discussion, but for example Nordic countries make a difference between "crimes" and "illegal things" in their laws. And so do South American countries.

The United States has the "felonies" category, which is very comparable. But they also include victimless and non-serious crimes such as tax evasion and copyright infringement.


Replies

no_wizardlast Saturday at 10:19 PM

So one batch of crimes is fine? Is that what you’re saying?

This seems like an intellectual gymnastics exercise in justifying corruption

show 1 reply
troyvitlast Saturday at 10:41 PM

We'll probably find out sometime around the first week of January, 2029.

ruszkilast Saturday at 9:15 PM

Law and your list are not the same.

Trump definitely killed probably 100s of thousands of people, with how he handled COVID, and USAID. The law doesn’t consider those as murders, but it’s quite obvious that they were.

The rape on your list is even funnier: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E._Jean_Carroll_v._Donald_J._T... Oh sorry, sexual assault.

And theft is the funniest, because he was convicted basically for stealing from his companies.

ben_wlast Saturday at 9:20 PM

Trump has lost lawsuits related to sexual abuse: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E._Jean_Carroll_v._Donald_J._T...

Also, the laws of the world have definitely not had the same list for hundreds of years, and the old ideas of those things are somewhat different to the modern versions. For example, for most of those hundreds of years, "rape" wasn't just about intercourse, it was about kidnapping (same etymology as "rapture": snatch and carry off). This is specifically why spousal rape, in the modern usage of the term, needed to be added to the statue books: little to no thought given to the idea of a husband kidnapping their own wife.

Also on that list for hundreds of years: charging interest on loans.

Trump's "grab 'em by the pussy" quote sounds like an admission of sexual battery to me. Now, it's important to note that I'm not a lawyer, but here's the thing: lawyers have also said this about that quote.

Even if you ignore all the stuff about Epstein, even if you limit yourself to just that self-chosen set of goalposts, he's a wrong-un.

show 1 reply
bulbarlast Saturday at 9:43 PM

Certain crimes tend to be low in dictatorships, so I don't think that's a good indicator of anything.

What about the storming of the Capitol 6th January? The criminals got pardoned and the people investigating the crimes conducted that day were fired. This shows that Trump does not care about law and order at all, only about personal power and control.