logoalt Hacker News

spaniard89277last Wednesday at 11:02 AM2 repliesview on HN

What I wonder is about the second order effects. I mean, I'm pretty far from Denmark but here the talk is pretty much like an existential crisis.

Even if the US does nothing about it, seems that many people has finally realized that Europe has no allies.

This has a lot of implications regarding the Pax Americana, the US/EU financial system, Eurasia, and many others.

I don't see any positive outcome for the west in general. Europe in particular is screwed but besides short-term gains I don't think the US is going to be able to sustain anything but very fragile and transactional alliances, if any.


Replies

logicchainslast Wednesday at 12:05 PM

>I don't see any positive outcome for the west in general. Europe in particular is screwed but besides short-term gains I don't think the US is going to be able to sustain anything but very fragile and transactional alliances, if any.

Europe became the forefront of human civilization, the home of the renaissance and the industrial revolution, because of internal competition between states (as opposed to the large centralized autocracies of Asia and the Middle East). In the long term more competition will ultimately be a good thing for Europe, forcing it to stop resting on its laurels, to start innovating and growing again.

show 2 replies
owebmasterlast Wednesday at 11:05 AM

> Even if the US does nothing about it, seems that many people has finally realized that Europe has no allies.

Indeed. But just because EU thinks too high of themselves and is turning down their last natural allies that is the South American/Mercosur countries. So whatever happens to EU is their own fault

show 3 replies