alt Hacker NewsHP Reveals Keyboard Computer with Ryzen AI Chip
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The HP EliteBoard runs a "AMD Ryzen AI 300 series processor", "50 TOPS NPU", with "800M series graphics" and up to 64gb of memory.
As far as I've seen, they have not publicly stated which specific processor its running. This combination means: Its not a Ryzen AI Max 300 processor, because these run the 8060S integrated graphics. (also, they'd have probably stated Max if it was). Moving down-range: the HX375 has 55 NPU TOPS, so its more likely that the best chip it could run is the HX370 (12c/24t); but it could be as low as the 330 (4c8t).
The HX370 posts geekbench 6 scores of single core ~2917 multi-core ~15249.
For comparison: the Apple M5, found in the iPad Pro and upcoming Mac Mini, scores single core ~4291 multi-core ~17469.
Overall, I think this is cool and evocative, and depending on the chip they use the performance could be pretty solid. However, I don't like the idea of a desktop PC being so integrated with a peripheral, such as a keyboard or monitor.
I don't want one, but all the skepticism is weird. I can see it making sense for hot desking office workers, or other similar. When I worked from home at my last job, I kept the laptop closed and out of sight and just connected my own monitors. Most people aren't picky about keyboards, so this seems like a perfectly reasonable product for plenty of people.
Finally HP launched a competitor to the VIC 20.
Interesting idea, seems like an adventurous v1 idea. Feels like it would be hard to sell this to enthusiasts who want a nicer keyboard, and hard to sell to the average consumer who’d still rather have a laptop or iPad.
> Launch Microsoft Copilot in Windows with a touch of the Copilot key,4 to write content, analyze data, and stay organized.
Oh thank goodness.
This whole product idea is further trying to gatekeep computing hardware. You will pay a cloud subscription to perform anything remotely computationally taxing.
I actually love the concept. It's effectively like the iMac, except more flexible and serviceable - great for kiosks and shared workstations.
One could also couple it with AR glasses like the XREAL One and have portable computing but more immersive (although it looks a little big for that).
I don't understand the scepticism - surely it's good that we see some experimentation again on the form factor of computing, we cannot just accept that the laptop is all we'll ever get. Yeah, the copy is stupid, but that's just marketing.
So it's a laptop, without display. Can I attach my own keyboard? From the pictures, I get the impression the keyboard sucks.
I want less microsoft/copilot in things, not more.
I don't know who this is for.
OK, great. I like what I've heard about the Ryzen AI chips so far. But can I install Linux on this thing?
Incorrectly advertising battery capacity as 32W instead of (presumably) 32WH is a hilarious mistake for a company the size of HP
The fine print:
HP recommends Windows 11 Pro for Business. Not all features are available in all editions or versions of Windows. Systems may require upgraded and/or separately purchased hardware, drivers, software or BIOS update to take full advantage of Windows functionality. Windows 11 is automatically updated, which is always enabled. High speed internet and Microsoft account required. ISP fees may apply and additional requirements may apply over time for updates.
Features and software that require a NPU may require software purchase, subscription or enablement by a software or platform provider, and third-party software may have specific configuration or compatibility requirements. Potential NPU inferencing performance varies by use, configuration, and other factors.
Microsoft Copilot requires Windows 11. Some features require an NPU. Timing of feature delivery and availability varies by market and device. Requires Microsoft account to log in. Where Copilot is not available, the Copilot key will lead to the Bing search engine.
> the worlds most serviceable keyboard PC.
Any idea why raspberry didn’t use compute modules in the pi500? IMHO that should have been trivially upgradable but will likely be the shortest lived keyboard I’ve ever had when the pi6 comes out.
Wedge computers came out in the 80s, I'm not sure which part of this is "revolutionary".
AMD Ryzen AI 300
These are great. The Ryzen AI series are the ones that allow memory to be shared between the GPU and CPU, so you can use almost all your system RAM to run local models.
The AI 395+ MAX is available with up to 128Gb RAM (and I think 256Gb is coming).
The important thing is how much RAM it comes with because it is soldered - and for some reason this doesn't seem to show the RAM!
How does cooling get implemented? I can only really think of a Pi500 as a similar concept, except that the Pi is (likely) much less power intense. If they're using a Ryzen 300, wouldn't heat dissapation become an issue? The keyboard looks too thin for extensive heat transfer. I guess they could use a undervolted Ryzen 300 but it just seems like there is too much power delivery needs inside such a small frame.
Editorialized title (The powerful AI PC that hides in plain sight)
Actual coverage from Ars: HP's EliteBoard G1a is a Ryzen-powered Windows 11 PC in a membrane keyboard (3 points) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46551335
What's old is new again. Hasn't anybody seen a Commodore 64?
In a few years, there will be more (relative} gold in thriftshop keyboard sludge-piles.
Raspberry Pi 400 did it (TM) , minus the AI PC crap.
I want one the size and shape of the HP-200LX. Oh, in that case, please add a 4K color OLED screen and 5G radio. Lenovo stick for mouse.
I dislike how ai is a major selling point of this computer; then again, I understand it’s a buzzword at this point.
Funnily enough, with the name being “HP EliteBoard G1a Next Gen AI PC”, I know I’m supposed to read it as “(next gen) ai”, but I can’t help seeing “next (gen ai)”.
no thanks, i prefer a https://frame.work/gr/en/desktop
and to reset it you just have to type SYS 64738
I think I'll just wait for Chinese to create their clones of this and buy it at half the price.
Ah, the HP-99/4A. I'd heard of this and kinda almost wanted one, but I think skyrocketing RAM and SSD prices will make it even more not worth the money/hassle.
I don't think I am ever buying another HP product. I've had enough with their office PCs and printers
Are the little NUC sized boxes too obtrusive? I don't understand who will buy this keyboard.
I like that it's washable! I wish all peripherals had some thought for cleaning them.
I'm embarrassed to have people over because of my mouse and keyboard. My last mouse fell apart (coating started to peel) when I cleaned it and other parts were just unreachable.