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conductrlast Thursday at 12:43 AM3 repliesview on HN

I think your case on this debate is more sound however

> To do that, you have to be able to generate scarcity, which is exactly what corporate investors aren't doing.

But they did. When inventory was low and then zero percent rates where available, they bought everything they could and drove prices up and created an appreciation bubble. I don’t think they have some other dark patterns for manipulating the market but they had access to a lot of basically free cash. Inventory of houses for sale is a tiny portion of the total market and they could and did contribute to driving prices up. But so did everyone that had the opportunity and inclination to do so, and why not when money is free leverage the shit out of it in an asset class that will generally appreciate without much risk.

I don’t know what ever came of that now that rates have increased. Are they still holding those homes? Did they sell them after driving prices up? (But not fast enough to make prices go down again obviously). Are they landlords now? Etc.

The market is still reeling from that economic situation that created this. Prices may eventually float down but no seller is eager for that so it’s a bit sticky.


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tptaceklast Thursday at 12:48 AM

My case is built on the empirics that corporate investors are a very small fraction of the available houses for sale. Notice the stories you're reading about places where corporations are disruptive: they're in thin markets. A corporate investors can totally (if temporarily) fuck up the prices in a single subdivision. But unless they can do that across a broader market, they don't have meaningful pricing control.

My claim would be that in any any of the top 10 markets by transaction volume (just to pick a handy metric out of the sky; you could choose others), corporate investors are literally a nonfactor.

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WalterBrightlast Thursday at 10:37 PM

> they had access to a lot of basically free cash

What? Cash is never ever free. If it's your Scrooge McDuck cash vault, you're losing money by not investing it. If you borrow it, you're paying interest on it.

https://romanroyce.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/02/ScroogeMcD...

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linkregisterlast Thursday at 10:32 AM

> When inventory was low and then zero percent rates where available, they bought everything they could and drove prices up and created an appreciation bubble.

Where did this occur? Is this substantiated?

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