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crazygringolast Thursday at 2:06 AM10 repliesview on HN

> Switch to stores with stronger privacy policies: Trader Joe’s, Whole Foods, and Food Bazaar have not announced biometric scanning.

Just because they haven't announced it doesn't mean they're not using it.

Honestly, I would just assume every grocery store has security cameras doing facial recognition to cross-reference and catch repeat shoplifters.

All those security cameras are there for a reason.


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roywigginslast Thursday at 3:32 AM

If they're collecting biometric data without posting a sign they are breaking the law, that requirement to post a sign is why this story about Wegmans is public at all, Wegmans posted signs as required.

If they are, and aren't posting signs, that would be a story in itself. Of course it could still be happening, it sounds like the law is fairly toothless, but it did get Wegmans to post the sign, so probably not useless.

https://gothamist.com/news/nyc-wegmans-is-storing-biometric-...

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dashundchenlast Thursday at 2:27 AM

> Switch to stores with stronger privacy policies: Trader Joe’s, Whole Foods, and Food Bazaar have not announced biometric scanning.

Local member owned food co-ops would be a good alternative if there's one near you.

They don't have to be fancy and expensive. My local co-op strives to offer affordable options on most staples and bulk foods, and frequently undercuts the chains (including Wegmans) on produce, especially local produce when they can source it.

Do they have 20 types of chips and 300 cereals? No, but I can shop in a 20-30 minutes instead of the hour minimum Wegmans demands.

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pilinguallast Thursday at 2:51 AM

At least Trader Joe's does not have surveillance cameras (at all). https://dan.bulwinkle.net/blog/trader-joes-does-not-have-sur...

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heavyset_golast Thursday at 2:14 AM

> Honestly, I would just assume every grocery store has security cameras doing facial recognition to cross-reference and catch repeat shoplifters.

This is their purpose, they're used to build cases over time, instead of single instances of petty theft, until shoplifters can be charged with felonies when the cumulative amount that they stole reaches felony levels.

I know of at least one chain that uses them to flag certain people to loss prevention or security when they enter the store, either because of shoplifting or because they were trespassed in the past.

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mattacularlast Thursday at 2:29 AM

Trade Joe's maybe I could see but how did Whole Foods make this list?

themafialast Thursday at 5:12 AM

> I would just assume every grocery store

Every large chain does.

> All those security cameras are there for a reason.

To show you that they can afford them. As if cameras are a reasonable way to stop shoplifting in the first place.

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Rebelgeckolast Thursday at 2:23 AM

Whole Foods by me has a palm scanner, and the Amazon Fresh store does biometrics too (at least it used to?

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lovichlast Thursday at 3:04 AM

You could always go to a Walmart and look up to see if they bothered to even wire the cameras or if the plug was literally dangling from the cameras over the entire store.

Happened at the expansion at the one I worked at and the shoplifters went ham for a while after they figured that out

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monero-xmrlast Thursday at 2:22 AM

I would prefer they require face scanning vs. locking everything up. The police in my city don’t arrest people for shoplifting, or a range of petty crimes for that matter. If you don’t like face scanning no one makes you shop there.

When crime is unpunished and the police won’t do anything and the politicians don’t care, then businesses either have to adapt with new models or close

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hsbauauvhabzblast Thursday at 2:21 AM

Repeat shoplifters? Please that’s a thinly veiled excuse, the actual reason is so they can build more accurate analytical models to screw you over more.

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