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gnarlouselast Friday at 12:13 AM2 repliesview on HN

> they only get paid when people find value in what AI is producing for them

The people "finding value in them" are other people with money to throw at businesses: investors, capital firms, boards & c suites. I'm not sure anybody who has been laid off because their job got automated away is "finding value" in an LLM. There's a handful of scrappy people trying to pump out claude-driven startups but if one person can solo it, obviously a giant tech company can compete.

> No dark patterns

https://www.palantir.com/

> No enshittification

https://google.com

https://bing.com

> No taking your data hostage

blank stare they're not taking my data hostage, but they're sure as shit taking my data

I think we just fundamentally disagree on all of this. You may be right, and I hope you are. I go back and forth on whether it's going to be a gentle transition or a miserable one. My money is on the latter.


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ben_wlast Friday at 12:55 AM

> https://www.palantir.com/

What's the dark pattern here, exactly? "Selling military-adjacent stuff with an edgy vibe" isn't what's meant by a dark pattern.

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TeMPOraLlast Friday at 9:15 PM

> The people "finding value in them" are other people with money to throw at businesses: investors, capital firms, boards & c suites. I'm not sure anybody who has been laid off because their job got automated away is "finding value" in an LLM.

And the millions with ChatGPT (and other LLM) subscriptions, using it for anything from for-profit and non-profit work to hobby projects and all kinds of matters of personal life.

Contrary to a very popular belief in tech circles, AI is not only about investors. It's a real technology affecting real people in the real world.

In fact, I personally don't give a damn about inverstors here, and I laugh at the "AI bubble" complaints. Yes, it's a bubble, but that's totally irrelevant to the technology being useful. Investors may go bankrupt, but the technology will stay. See e.g. history of rail in the United States - everyone who fronted capital to lay down rail lines lost their shirt, but the hardware remained, and people (including subsequent generations of businesses) put it to good use.

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