>No. The human body actually isn't a 737.

No shit sherlock.

>Let me spell it out then: The mechanisms by which a human body and a 737 work are so vastly different that one may as well be alien to the other. It's quite an apples and oranges comparison.

Should've done this in the first place because no one understands what you're saying otherwise.

The problem internals are different but we are comparing the outcome and that is: human lives. You seem to think this is an invalid comparison. It's not.

>Medicine isn't engineering. Treating patients isn't the same as the design and manufacture of aircraft.

I never said that. The whole point was you made the claim doctors are good problem solvers because they went to medical school.

I said that claim is utter bullshit. They aren't that good and they misdiagnose shit all the time. The point still stands and you delivered evidence to validate that. You said Medicine is fuzzy and engineering exact. You said the problem was vastly more complex as well.

All of this proves the point. The problem is harder, the science is fuzzy. Doctors armed with medical science, which is definitively worse, operating on a problem that is definitively harder will be generally WORSE problem solvers then people in other occupations IF we hold everything else the same. So doctors as a group ARE not good problem solvers. That WAS the point. We are referring to doctors as a group and thus the ONLY point of comparison for problem solvers ARE other occupations.

That's just a given and it follows from your OWN logic.

>That of course doesn't excuse shitty healthcare systems that can clearly do better when stats indicate there's preventable adverse outcomes happening. I just don't think laying the blame at the feet of doctors somehow being too stupid to problem solve is helpful when there's a larger system that's preventing them from doing their best work for their patients. If anything that narrative is counterproductive.

Did I lay the blame on doctors? No. I just said they aren't good problem solvers. That's a fact. That's not blame.

But let's be clear, I agree it's counter productive to lay blame OR call doctors stupid and such a thing WAS not done by me. I was simply making the claim that THEY are NOT good problem solvers. You inserted extra negative sentiment into the "narrative" as an hallucination by your own imagination.

Look, point is you're wrong on every count. Doctors are not good at problem solving period. They're pretty bad at it. The comparison with aviation engineers is apt because those guys are GOOD problem solvers.

And again, it's not the doctors fault that they are incompetent. It's the hardness of the problem and the limitations of the science that make them like this.