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5d41402abc4b • last Friday at 9:14 AM • 1 reply • view on HN

>rushed to market, fix the bugs later

I've yet to see a MCU vendor ship without bugs. At least with ST, the MCU is very cheap.

>USB controllers straight up doesn't enumerate with ARM Macs

I've seen USB devices struggling to enumerate on Mac/IOS devices before. This feels more like an Apple bug to me considering how they work very well on Linux, Windows and Android.

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inferiorhuman • last Friday at 9:25 AM

  I've yet to see a MCU vendor ship without bugs. At least with ST,
  the MCU is very cheap.
Moving the goalposts much? You went from "lengthy errata doesn't mean anything" to "at least it's cheap", which was my point entirely. The STM32 lineup is cheap with a bunch of features, has readily available documentation, and that appeals to a lot of people.

  This feels more like an Apple bug to me considering how they work very
  well on Linux, Windows and Android.
Yep, that's the typical STM fanboi response and part of why I'm not so gung ho on STM products. It just feels… cultish and obnoxious.

Meanwhile I've been using Macs on and off since before USB came around and this is the first USB device I've found that glitches out like that. Given that Apple uses off the shelf USB silicon (TI) and the complaints about STM's older USB FS peripherals I came across I'd fully believe it's an STM problem.

What is entirely STM's fault is that they still market the F7 based devices (ST Link, Nucleo, etc) as being Mac compatible. They've also skipped out on putting that fun little wart into the F7 errata.

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