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lynx97last Friday at 12:03 PM4 repliesview on HN

The EU definitely has no concept of "love". It was founded to make trade easier. All the fuzz about humane values and morals has been tacked on more or less recently, to keep up the support for it from the population. It is the literal wolf in sheep's clothing.


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alphagerlast Friday at 1:34 PM

It was founded to make world war 3 impossible /through/ trade. By intertwining the economies of countries that considered each other hereditary enemies (Erbfeinde in German), it sought to make war too costly to consider. Humanitarian values are a core part of what became the EU.

That's one of the reasons the EU has had so many political problems with Hungary and Poland in the last decade: their drift to authoritarian forms of government (including weakening the judiciary in Poland) didn't impact trade at all. Nonetheless, it went against the humanitarian values.

I'm no EU fanboy (there's plenty to criticize), but regarding chat control and surveillance, it's important to see from which part of the EU institutions the push comes: the council. The council consists of the governments of the member states. It's not the big bad EU trying to force surveillance on the innocent countries; it's the governments trying to push domestically unpopular surveillance through the EU. The directly elected EU parliament has so far always prevented this push.

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jansper39last Friday at 1:18 PM

Yet because of it's existence, thousands of people have been able to love beyond their countries borders.

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waldarbeiterlast Friday at 12:08 PM

What does "wolf in sheep's clothing" mean for you, concretely, outside of metaphors?

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yohannparislast Friday at 1:11 PM

The US was founded to not pay taxes... Come on, you know well that most things evolve and grow.