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iamnotherelast Friday at 5:29 PM8 repliesview on HN

This is taking place in a larger geopolitical context. He is applying whatever pressure that Cloudflare can apply on its own (not much), and he mentions Vance as a way to call for US administration help at a time when the US is entering an open economic conflict with Europe. Tech and speech regulation is a central feature of that conflict.

IMHO this is a time when there are no good players. I support CF’s fight to keep the internet open against encroaching EU regulation while also acknowledging that the US has been a recurring bad actor here. I am not as anti-Cloudflare as some (I have no problem with their pro free speech policies) but I do think centralization of infrastructure is a bad thing, and CF encourages that.


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brightballlast Friday at 9:31 PM

Wasn't 1.1.1.1 explicitly created to help people in countries with government internet restrictions to get around them?

100% support whatever Cloudflare has to do to win this fight. IMO the timing of something like this in the middle of the Elon + X vs UK censorship fight with the current administration providing support is probably the best case scenario.

People aren't going to want to hear that, but in this case it's probably true.

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bfleschlast Friday at 5:40 PM

"It is better to keep your mouth closed and let people think you are a fool than to open it and remove all doubt."

I think this clearly shows the hubris of Cloudflare CEO. Cloudflare is simply not important enough in Europe, and he unnecessarily provided a scapegoat "evil US tech company" for European media and politicians to slaughter. In terms of corporate politics it's not clever for him to attach his name to this issue, why not let legal handle this through EU lobby channels the same way other US tech companies do it in Europe.

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hermanzegermanlast Friday at 7:15 PM

"Tech and speech regulation is a central feature of that conflict"

The only conflict is that Europeans don't want Russian Misinformation and Manipulation from foreign powers onto them. It's no accident that Musks X serves preferentially content from European Far-Right Parties.

The US used the same argument for their TikTok-Ban/Forced Takeover. They also don't make a secret out of their plan to push the far-right to end the EU. They even wrote about this in their new National Security Strategy

Pure Hypocrisy

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lostloginyesterday at 12:19 PM

> the US is entering an open economic conflict with Europe.

Whilst ending swathe of agreements, threatening to end NATO and threatening to attack a NATO territory.

simianparrotlast Friday at 5:50 PM

The good players are the US on this front. I say this as a European. Europe at large is in a dark place in terms of freedom of speech, the press, and other issues like immigration. And the US might eventually have to be the ones to apply force to hold our leaders accountable, ironic as that is given history.

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aforwardslashlast Friday at 8:34 PM

> he mentions Vance as a way to call for US administration help at a time when the US is entering an open economic conflict with Europe

This is a great way of bombing its business in the EU. Just sayin' :)

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pamcakelast Friday at 9:37 PM

I may have missed something but Akamai seem to be living proof that it's possible to operate that kind of business at scale from the US without vice signalling or publicly sucking up to fascist authoritarians.

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jacquesmlast Friday at 8:06 PM

CF is a US company, the EU has the right to make their own - misguided - laws. And CF has the option to simply stop doing business with Italy, or comply with the law. This stupid grandstanding is just a thinly veiled attempt at blackmail which I'm sure will very much impress the legislators and the judges of the country to which it is addressed. /s