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chrneuyesterday at 3:42 AM4 repliesview on HN

you just described a private investigator.

stalking requires some kind of menacing or whatnot. i seriously doubt a judge would grant a restraining order just because you think someone is following you without any interaction.

>Stalking is a crime of power and control. It is a course of action directed at an individual that causes the victim to fear for their safety, and generally involves repeated visual or physical proximity, nonconsensual communication, and verbal, written, or implied threats.


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themafiayesterday at 6:44 AM

> you just described a private investigator.

In most states that requires a license with actual professional standards being met to obtain and maintain one. It does not entitle you to harass someone.

> stalking requires some kind of menacing or whatnot.

Repetition, threats, and fear. The standard is "would most reasonable people perceive these actions in the same way?"

The better question is, in the cities that have installed flock, is the crime rate actually down? And can we make FOIA requests to see how often and for what the police have queried the system to receive data? I may not be able to challenge the existence of the system with a TRO but I can constrain police use of it; hopefully, to the point it is no longer economically viable for them to operate it.

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sanexyesterday at 4:47 AM

Ok but private investigators are acceptable and stalkers are manageable individually because neither scales. You can't cover every individual in the US with a PI simultaneously.

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monkaijuyesterday at 3:49 AM

>causes the victim to fear for their safety

If being pervasively spied on by an increasingly fascist government doesn't make you fear for your safety you might want to brush up on your history...

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doobiedowneryesterday at 10:01 PM

You can eat shit. A private investigator has a specific target and a specific complaint. The topic, blanket surveillance by a private company does not have either. Again, eat shit. Shame on you apologizing for this behavior.