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TheAlchemistyesterday at 7:40 AM9 repliesview on HN

Regardless of weather it's true or not, they have a huge interest in saying so.

What's really crazy (even by today's US standards) is how Trump and his clique speak as if he annexed Venezuela and he can do whatever he wants.

It was discussed 100 times here already, but the damage to the myth of US as the 'good guy' that is immense. I personally see the US now, as the same that say China or Russia and have no intention of going there again, unless absolutely necessary. If you told me that some years ago, I would think you're crazy.


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keiferskiyesterday at 10:01 AM

Large states (including the US) have been intervening in nearby countries since the beginning of time. Even for Latin America, this is a "typical" intervention for the US: Cuba, Panama, Grenada, Dominican Republic, Honduras, Haiti, Guatemala, on and on, all happened in the 20th century.

What's different this time is the total lack of effort (or ability to?) to construct a narrative justifying it.

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nextaccounticyesterday at 7:12 PM

The US is acting like Russia for sure, but China's modus operandi isn't really like that. China is much more interested in a rules-based world order than either country and will gladly fill the soft power vacuum the US is leaving

gizmo686yesterday at 5:23 PM

> What's really crazy (even by today's US standards) is how Trump and his clique speak as if he annexed Venezuela and he can do whatever he wants.

Setting aside what this does to the image of the US, this also just isn't grounded in reality. The US conducted a singular operation with a narrowly defined goal of extracting their president and his wife. They then declared that they were putting the Venuzuellan vice president in charge. I don't know what happened behind the scenes, but that looks a lot more like them getting behind a winner instead of dictating it.

Sure, the military operation was a tactical success; and will probably make Venuzuella more subservient in the near term. But I see no evidence we have done anything close to annexing them.

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justajewyesterday at 9:41 PM

It is very funny that you compare US to Russia and China. China, compared to US, is a very peaceful state, with imperial ambitions nowhere near the american ones.

As for Russia, it fights for its existence after the west has effectively hired Ukraine as mercenaries in 2014 (if you want to be honest about it), Ukraine which had been for centuries an integral part of Russia.

Now tell me, what kind of connection US has with Venezuela besides the infinite greed of its capitalists? None of course. And neither had Iraq, Lybia, and a long list of other countries. Under the "good" "democrats".

And you dare to compare yourself to China and Russia..

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ekianjoyesterday at 7:52 AM

> the damage to the myth of US as the 'good guy' that is immense.

People don't live under a rock. The US is an empire and has acted like it for at least 80 years if not more. The fantasy that the US is part of the good guys depends on how much you believe the propaganda.

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rurbanyesterday at 8:21 AM

Of course their interest is to completely destroy all socialistic tendencies there, that's why Trump assured them to run the country from now on. They already invested in robbing their oil twice there, and where thrown out twice. Incredible stories, Chevron even had to change it's name then to get rid of the foul mouth press.

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resumenextyesterday at 8:09 AM

Consider how that will restrain the diplomatic and geopolitical options available to future US presidents, particularly those of the other party and it starts to seem quite strategic if not a major win for isolationism and Trump’s Monroe 2.0 agenda.

personomasyesterday at 8:18 AM

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