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trollbridgelast Saturday at 2:14 PM8 repliesview on HN

This sounds like excellent evidentiary material for a future insurer or government health provider to decide you're uninsurable, not eligible for a job, and so on.

And the great thing about it is that you already signed all your rights away for them to do this exact thing, when we could have had an open world with open models run locally instead where you got to keep your private health information private.


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simianwordslast Saturday at 3:03 PM

Can you explain the exact way in which this is possible? It’s not legal to be denied jobs based on health. Not to deny insurance

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matt3Dlast Saturday at 6:21 PM

These strawman arguments lack nuance.

If the person can use AI to lead a noticeably better life, something that may have been impossible previously due to economic circumstance, then the first order benefits outweigh the second order drawbacks.

I’m not disputing what you’re saying, I just think that treating it like a zero sum game every time the conversation comes up is showing an immense amount of privilege.

You, me, the parent commenter; we’re all dying, we don’t have time to optimise for the best outcome.

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kouteiheikayesterday at 8:03 AM

> when we could have had an open world with open models run locally instead where you got to keep your private health information private

But we can have that? If you have powerful enough hardware you can do it, right now. At very least until the anti-AI people get their way and either make the models' creators liable for what the models say or get rid of the "training is fair use" thing everyone depends on, in which case, sure, you'll have to kiss legal open-weight models goodbye.

mrcincinnatusyesterday at 1:22 PM

Precisely right. Related. https://www.socialcooling.com/

beepbopboopplast Saturday at 10:48 PM

This is an argument against the general data collection internet NOT chatGPT.

carlosjobimyesterday at 1:03 AM

What do you consider the purpose of life to be? To me being in good health is immensely more important than health insurance, a government health plan, or a job.

I know that neither health insurers nor any government agency nor anybody else have even 0,0000000000000001% as much interest in my health, well being and survival as I do.

When it is the matter of my health and my life, I care as much about what an insurer or employer thinks as I would care about what the Ayatollah of Iran thinks. Or what you think. Ie: Those opinions are without any value at all.

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SecretDreamslast Saturday at 2:16 PM

System working as intended!

lotsofpulplast Saturday at 2:23 PM

If an insurer is able to reduce (or recoup) costs from likelier risks, then the remaining insureds benefit from lower premiums.

If the goal is providing subsidies (i.e. wealth transfers), then insurance is not the way to do it. That is the government’s role.

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