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fsfloveryesterday at 3:21 PM2 repliesview on HN

> Every attempt since OpenMoko proves the market doesn't care.

It's because people like you are constantly repeating this mantra of security nihilism [0], instead of spreading the word about true alternatives existing today, Librem 5 and Pinephone.

[0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27897975


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okanatyesterday at 5:05 PM

How much does Librem 5 cost? Are they able to deliver reasonably up-to-date set of features that general population care? Can you still buy them? Will they deliver in a reasonable amount of time? Will they be able to stay afloat? Can they make enough money to invest in features? Can they support an ecosystem that not only support FOSS but proprietary software too? Can they make contracts with operators to have earlier access to newer tech? Does the cost reflect the value that the customer gets out of them?

The answer for most of those questions is no for both Librem and Pinephone. You cannot even buy Pinephones anymore. This is not nihilism.

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pjmlpyesterday at 4:49 PM

Which aren't that great user experience for normal users anyway, with the apps and games everyone else on their friends circle is using, or needed for work.

Security not only matters, we are still far away from the same liability as in other industries.

GNU/Linux also had as baseline what other UNIXes were capable of, and even that had to grew for ACLs, NSA's LinuxSE, and containers.