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sejjeyesterday at 11:40 PM4 repliesview on HN

I used to play professionally, and I still play in the casinos.

These LLMs are playing better than most human players I encounter (low limits).

They're kinda bad, but not as criminally bad as the humans.


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gerdesjtoday at 12:28 AM

OK so you know how it goes in poker and I should probably read the literature ...

How much of a session is based on "reading players" vs "playing the odds"?

What I am getting at, is how different is poker than say roulette or blackjack? My initial thoughts are that poker such as TX hold 'em is not a game offered in a casino, so it must be mostly indeterminate. I imagine that the casino versions of poker are not TXHT.

By contrast, roulette is simply a game where the casino wins eventually with a fixed profit (thanks to 0 and a possible 00). That is all well documented.

I have only ever visited a casino once, 25 years ago, Plymouth, Devon as it turns out and I was advised to only take £50 in readies and bail out when it was gone. I came out £90 up, which was nice and my "advisor" came out £95 up (eventually, after being £200 down at one point). Sadly my "advisor" ended up bankrupt a year later.

So, how do you play a LLM? I would imagine that conversation is not allowed ...

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bionsystemtoday at 2:52 PM

I just watched for 5 min and no they don't play very well. Deepseek squeezed with K4o against CO open and BTN call with full stacks. Grok 3b AI with 25bb in the button with Q4s. Those are very far from optimal play which is well known since solvers. I wonder how they've been trained.

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projectyangtoday at 8:25 AM

I'm actually surprised at how well they play pre-flop (mostly). Did some initial analysis on VPIP/PFR across positions, and somewhat decent.

Post-flop on the other hand is all over the place...

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hydr0smok3today at 12:52 AM

lol what? I just watched Grok fold pocket jacks preflop, no raise/limps ahead.

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