By what metric? In terms of deaths, injuries, and crashes per mile their Full Self Driving at least an order of magnitude behind Waymo

That’s not true at all. Tesla taxis aren’t even close to Waymo’s capabilities.

I've struggled with this over the years, but think we can call it at this point: Waymo is definitely better.

Just too much real world data.

(i.e. scaled paid service, no drivers, multiple cities, for 1 year+)

I was just thinking about this on my 60 mile FSD driver I just finished. Basically inevitable that I would shortly go HN or reddit and read how FSD doesn't work.

FSD is here, it wasn't 3 or 4 years ago when I first bought a Tesla, but today it's incredible.