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napkinartisttoday at 7:19 AM2 repliesview on HN

You are saying the same thing they said -- it doesn't scale. It's not how you build a large factory. They acknowledge this and pretty quickly move on to say that they are aiming for smaller and sustainable.

They even specifically call out why they chose not to use a conveyor based oven in the video.

Basically they believe they can be price reasonable at small scales, small batches. Build process knowledge and expertise over time, and then incrementally scale up after assessing bottlenecks.

I think the route of local sustainable, grow as needed or collaborate to expand capacity is pretty reasonable.


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Animatstoday at 8:05 AM

It's not possible to make a competitively priced product that way. What are you going to do, sell artisanal circuit boards on Etsy?

Here's a small US-based PCB board and assembly facility in the US, in Hesperia, California.[1] Looks like it might have 20 to 30 employees from the building picture. This is probably about as small as a viable business of this type gets. It doesn't have to be done in a huge plant like JLCPCB in Shenzhen.

Here's a company in India, Invariance, which makes low-cost semi-automatic machines to do exactly the same operations 39c3 is doing.[2] They have three machines - a solder paste spreader, a pick and place machine, and a mini tunnel reflow oven. They make all three machines. These machines intended for small companies who want to assemble their own boards in house. The solder paste spreader is just automated enough to do a consistent job, with pressure and timing controlled. The pick and place machine uses their own feeder design which runs off strips of component tape. The tunnel oven is small, only about a meter long.

That's close to a viable minimum production solution.

[1] https://mermarinc.com/

[2] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K_VCJyeqa-A

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Joel_Mckaytoday at 8:34 AM

Design for manufacturability means you leave tolerance within Factory limits, and your own prototyping process limits.

While an inexpensive PnP machine will do 50k to 80k components/hour. If you have someone doing _any_ task, than add $3 USD * number of operations per unit.

Tech is a low-margin business with a lot of regulations, and should be contracted to a proper facility if making over a few thousand units a month. Tooling up for a production line is almost always a bad idea, as it usually adds additional barriers to a product launch as people get sidetracked. =3