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actionfromafaryesterday at 10:17 AM3 repliesview on HN

In the book the Palantir are technically neutral devices for Seeing things, that, it turns out, are inherently prone to misuse and once used for Evil, are incredibly difficult to use in any other way.

A better metaphor (accidental or not) for surveillance technology I've never seen.


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db48xyesterday at 4:43 PM

> once used for Evil, are incredibly difficult to use in any other way.

That’s not true. They were only dangerous to use as long as an insanely powerful immortal demon god had one. If you used a Palantir he would notice and draw your eye toward him. He could then make you see what he wanted you to see, unless you were strong enough to resist. He corrupted Saruman and Denethor merely by talking to them, showing them misleading things, and convincing them that he could not be defeated by any means. Kill Sauron and the Palantiri are safe to use again.

The tools are neutral. It is the users who are good or evil.

It’s the same with the Throne of Amon Hen, fwiw. It’s only dangerous to use because Sauron will notice that you’re using it.

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wyldfireyesterday at 10:47 AM

> A better metaphor (accidental or not) for surveillance technology I've never seen.

"We are easily corrupted"

[1] https://www.westword.com/opinion/opinion-palantir-technologi...

[2] https://www.pogo.org/investigates/stephen-miller-conflicts-o...

actionfromafaryesterday at 1:36 PM

Edit: it just occurred to me that the book describes a kind of filter bubble, too. The Palantir stones are inherently incapable of showing false data. But they became tuned over time to show highly editorialized video clips which supported a specific (Evil) narrative. That (IIRC) included future projections of possible outcomes.

Denethor (?) tried to use a Palantir for good, but went mad after viewing its selections for years.

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