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throw0101dyesterday at 4:56 PM

> You can't take one tragic mistake or bad-apple cop and draw conclusions about the fate of the country from it.

As per a sibling comment:

> The bad apples metaphor originated as a warning of the corrupting influence of one corrupt or sinful person on a group: that "one bad apple can spoil the barrel". Over time the concept has been used to describe the opposite situation, where "a few bad apples" should not be seen as representative of the rest of their group. This latter version is often used in the context of police misconduct.

> The bad apples metaphor originates from the proverb "A rotten apple quickly infects its neighbor", first recorded as used in English in 1340.[1]

* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bad_apples

* https://www.merriam-webster.com/wordplay/one-bad-apple-spoil...

And the real problem is that the highest levels of government is defending the actions of the bad-apple cop.

It is the fact that these crazy high quotas that ICE agents must meet are a high-level government policy that are 'forcing' the agents to do these crazy things (if they want to keep their jobs); of course some ICE thugs enjoy doing this and like the power trip(s).

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Kapurayesterday at 4:45 PM

idk if you know about bad apples, but the idiom isn't "one bad apple is fine and can be successfully isolated and removed."

If we're speaking about the same incident, there was no mistake. it was intentional. there has been no apology from any official source, as one would expect in the case of a tragic mistake.

JohnMakinyesterday at 4:47 PM

Hint: the current democrat establishment is also authoritarian. you're so, so close to it!

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rjtavaresyesterday at 4:47 PM

I guess you haven't read how the government reacted to the incident. Let's put it mildly and say: is wasn't treated as a mistake or bad-apple cop.

Just an example: "Vance said the ICE officer was clearly justified in shooting Good. The officer was clearly acting in self-defense, Vance said. He framed Good as "a victim of left-wing ideology" who was spurred by an alleged network of politically motivated groups to interfere with law enforcement."

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/watch-live-vance-joins...

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Kreutzeryesterday at 4:57 PM

>You can't take one tragic mistake or bad-apple cop and draw conclusions

When have Trump's administration ever suggested it was either? So far they have said:

-it was an act of self-defense by Ross

-Ms. Good ran over Ross

-Ross has immunity even if he committed murder

-Ms. Good was very disrespectful to law enforcement

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fundadyesterday at 4:49 PM

> You can't take one tragic mistake or bad-apple cop and draw conclusions about the fate of the country from it.

Do you have any citations for that? Jonathon Ross's entire chain of command including Sec of DHS and the President has justified the killing in multiple public statements. There has not been any official admission that it was a mistake, tragic nor description of Jonathan Ross as a "bad" apple or anything.

watwutyesterday at 4:51 PM

I have seen multiple high level leader say that the shooting was warranted and ok. They expressed happiness over the killing. That includes Trump, Vance and Kristi Noem. They praised the shooter and threatened others.

> You can't take one tragic mistake or bad-apple cop and draw conclusions about the fate of the country from it.

It was not bad apple. It was logical conclusion of ICE tactic and strategy. They also kidnap people, beat them up, throw them out somewhere else on the street. They throw tear gas into insides of cars or just randomly as bye package to citizens. They intentionally ram cars and cause traffic accidents.

Also, concretely, the lower level ICE members have seen to:

1.) do stuff like pointing a gun at a woman and saying "you did not learned from it".

2.) Destroyed memorial of the killed woman.

3.) Been heard to say she was "fucking bitch".

It was not bad apple. He is their hero and exactly where their tactic will go.

goatloveryesterday at 4:57 PM

It's not just one bad apple. There have been 16 ICE shootings resulting in four deaths during Trump's 2nd term and 32 people died in ICE detention during 2025. There are multiple videos out of Minneapolis & St. Paul since Renee Good's shooting where ICE have broken down the door of someone's home, beat a man and left him bleeding in another part of town, accosted someone at a gas station, tried to enter the home of a family where the DoorDash lady had fled for safety, threatened the death to drivers whom they accused of following them, posed for a picture with an influencer yelling about how they executed one of the protestors, and caused chaos at a high school leading to public schools temporarily shutting down.

This is officially sanctioned domestic terrorism against the citizens of Minnesota and no American should stand for it.

buckle8017yesterday at 4:42 PM

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