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volkkyesterday at 6:05 PM10 repliesview on HN

At what point do we ever ask ourselves -- "what kind of culture do we want to create for the future of our country?" I don't think a pro soccer player is comparable to an onlyfans contributor. I would much prefer my future kids to be inspired by Cristiano Ronaldo than someone baring themselves on camera.


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dylan604yesterday at 6:17 PM

Yet CR7 is routinely photographed baring himself on camera, which is one of the reasons he's so popular.

majaniyesterday at 9:01 PM

The more I hear about culture, the more I think it seems like the new age mysticism of the right

hnlmorgyesterday at 6:19 PM

If what you’re just concerned about people “baring themselves on camera” then they can continue to do that without emigrating to America and it would still affect your culture. The internet is global after all.

Also, it’s going to take more than a few thousand immigrants a year to affect the culture of a country as populous as America.

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testacc74yesterday at 9:38 PM

I see no difference in Cristiano Ronaldo and a porn star and an influencer and whatever you name it. They are all idols that sell stories for people to project their own thoughts and desires onto and get emotional. I would be more worry about my kid believing in celebrities, regardless of who they are. And the American mainstream culture is filthy anyway. As the old French joke once said the difference of yogurt and the us is that if you leave yogurt for a coupled of hundred years they would develop culture.

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inanutshellusyesterday at 6:39 PM

The other replies to this show a form of argumentation that's always fascinated me.

You say "We should encourage X over Y" and the retorts are

    * "Y will still exist" 
    * "Y can still be encouraged separately"
    * "You should tell me the difference between X and Y"
    * "Hey, I found an X that sometimes acts vaguely similar to Y!"
None directly disagree with the original point, but they do imply fault in the original reasoning without providing any proof or requiring any effort.

The third one is a classic, the straw man. A concise implication of error in which a good-faith response would be long-winded and boring comparatively.

To what end?

What are they hoping to get out of disagreeing with someone trying to encouraging our future culture to be one of relative wholesomeness?

... Why take the time out of one's day to say "well... encouraging X is great and all but you know what's better? passive-aggressively working against anyone that suggests it."?

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XorNotyesterday at 7:51 PM

What's wrong with an OnlyFans contributor? It's a self-employed job that services a demand within the economy and pays taxes. It's pretty close to the ideal job an immigrant can have since the product is already globalized but the revenue is not - i.e. an OnlyFans influencer with an American audience who moves to America is now bringing that income back into the economy via taxes and spending, or if they have an international audience they are attracting foreign dollars into your economy and strengthening your currency position.

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TitaRusellyesterday at 9:27 PM

You should look into Ivanka Trump. It's quite funny.

iwontberudeyesterday at 7:46 PM

Never, none of this shit matters

eudamoniacyesterday at 8:01 PM

They don't believe in the concept of a culture improving or declining. It's an axiom of a certain ideology that no culture can be inferior to another.

aforwardslashyesterday at 6:24 PM

what is the difference?