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New work on using fluids to function as gear teeth

31 pointsby vlachenlast Wednesday at 2:39 PM51 commentsview on HN

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snow_flaketoday at 12:11 PM

The phys.org article and headlines are misleading, the authors did not investigate systems to actually transmit torque. From what I gather, the interesting findings are the parameters for co-rotation and counterrotation of the driving and driven cylinder, depending on the Reynolds number, distance and so on. To illustrate one of the images of their publication: https://i.imgur.com/m8P2iVw.png

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kleibatoday at 11:40 AM

Check out what this dude came up with 120 years earlier: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hermann_F%C3%B6ttinger

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kazinatortoday at 6:59 PM

Torque transfer through a fluid, per se, is old hat: it's been deployed in automatic transmissions starting in the 1940's. Buick's "Dynaflow", etc.

mchermtoday at 10:26 AM

Ever driven a vehicle with an automatic transmission rather than a manual gearshift with a clutch? Then you almost certainly used a fluid coupling: basically two fans in a can with oil so turning one turns the other.

The article is so full of hype it doesn't bother to explain how this is different from the "fluid gears" invented in 1905.

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vlachenlast Wednesday at 2:39 PM

I'm not a fan of the bias towards "Gears are old tech, and that makes them bad" but I can see a lot of interesting possibilities with fluid coupling. The variables involved in power transmission for these things would be pretty wild to characterize, and the article video clearly shows inefficiencies in the system with the driven cylinder having counter rotational flow against it.

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bluGilltoday at 11:01 AM

As what efficency? The artical doesn't say, but hydraulics and automatic transmissions have been around for a long time and are less efficient than regular gears or electric motors. Cars got a good efficieny boost then the locking torque converter was developed.

dvhtoday at 10:15 AM

Virtually zero torque right?

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mrbn100fultoday at 11:22 AM

Nice to see that they have discovered the Torque converter https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Torque_converter

Used since the 60s lol

simonjgreentoday at 12:13 PM

I’m super confused how this any more useful than an oil based hydrodynamic torque converter like you’d find in a “slush box” automatic transmission. The video in the article shows such a low rate of transmission it’s crazy, I can’t think of a purpose!

zahlmantoday at 10:15 AM

Do we understand fluid mechanics well enough now to just design things like this from scratch, or is it still mostly trial and error? TFA seems to imply the latter, but....

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Y_Ytoday at 10:24 AM

There must be some reason PRL chose to publish this, but it's not apparent to me from TFA or the abstract, and I'm not interested enough to login via my institution.

It's not new that you could set up co- or counter-rotation in such a system. This seems like the sort of thing G. I. Taylor had as a bath toy.

Maybe impossibly tiny and unresponsive torques are useful somewhere?

pshirshovtoday at 2:07 PM

Ehm, isn't it the same thing as https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Torque_converter ?

debatem1today at 10:20 AM

How is this different from slushomatics? Sounds exactly like old school fluid couplings.

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globalnodetoday at 10:26 AM

reminds me of a tesla turbine -- only less efficient