Yep. RPi foundation lost the plot a long time ago. The original RPi was in a league of its own when it launched since nothing like it existed and it was cheap.

But now if I want some low power linux PC replacement with display output, for the price of the latest RPi 5, I can buy on the used market a ~2018 laptop with a 15W quad core CPU, 8GB RAM, 256 NVME and 1080p IPS display, that's orders of magnitude more capable. And if I want a battery powered embedded ARM device for GPIO over WIFI, I can get an ESP32 clone, that's orders of magnitude cheaper.

Now RPi at sticker price is only good for commercial users since it's still cheaper than the dedicated industrial embedded boards, which I think is the new market the RPI company caters to. I haven't seen any embedded product company that hasn't incorporate RPis in its products they ship, or at least in their lab/dev/testing stage, so if you can sell your entire production stock to industrial users who will pay top dollar, why bother making less money selling to consumers, just thank them for all the fish. Jensen Huang would approve.

The Raspberry Pi probably still has the advantage of an actually robust firmware/software ecosystem? The problem with SBCs has always been that the software situation is awful. That was the Raspberry Pi's real innovation: Raspbian and a commitment to openness.

The original Pis are still for sale, are cheap, and still do everything you need. This doesn't conflict with an expanded product line. The whole reason for Pi is still GPIO plus general purpose computing. AI is now a part of general purpose computing, so it only makes sense to adopt it too.

The things you can do locally with AI now are amazing. For several years there's been multiple open source products that can do both audio and visual processing locally using AI models. Local-only Home Assistant is almost equivalent to Siri. The more things you throw at it, the more computing power it needs (especially for low latency), and that's where the dedicated GPUs/NPUs (previously ASICs) are needed. And consider the expanded use cases; drones and robots can now navigate the world autonomously using a $150 SoC and some software.

I don't know of any other ARM device that fulfills:

- I can boot it w/o having to learn about custom U-Boot implementations

- I, as a consumer or small business, can buy

- Can not only buy today but also still buy in 2 years

- Doesn't cost a small fortune

- Can be tugged away behind TVs and other small niches

Nah, they released products better suited to what people were already using Pis for.

The Picos are great for the smaller stuff, new Pis are great for bigger stuff, and old Pis and Zeros are still available. They've innovated around their segment.

The AI stuff is just an expression of that. People are doing AI on Pi5s and this is just a way to make that better.

I think this is a miss on what the Pi is: an experiment. Sure, it stood on the shoulders of other SFF boards that came before it - but it broke into the general computing landscape targeting makers and builders. If the AI hat doesn't work out, so be it. The use cases for this type of hat may yet to be seen. On one hand it may feel shortsighted to bringing hardware to market with no explicit use case, but that's part of the Pi brand.

As someone else mentioned: if the hat could efficiently be leveraged with the YOLO models on Frigate for a low volume camera setup that could be a nice niche use case for it.

Either way I hope the RPi org keeps dropping things like this and letting the users sort out the use cases with their dollars.

This is why I keep buying 3B+ and Zero 2 W and not any of the newer versions...it's much more in keeping with the relatively low cost board with GPIO and reasonable compute. It's kind of the last one they made that does what I kind of expected out of a Raspberry Pi at a reasonable price point. If I needed more compute I would have skipped the travesty that is ARM and just bought an x86 system.

> I think Raspberry lost the magic of the older Pis, they lost that sense of purpose. They basically created a niche with the first Pis, now they're just jumping into segments that others created and are already filled to the brim with perhaps even more qualified competition.

I don't think you will find anything on the market enabling you to create your own audiophile quality AMP, DAC, or AMP+DAC for a pretty attractive price except a Pi 3/4/5 with a HifiBerry (https://www.hifiberry.com/) HAT.

I still remember the email I got telling me that they were going to upgrade the RAM of the 256Mb Model B I ordered and that I would receive a brand new model with 512Mb for no extra cost. Hard to believe that was nearly 14 years ago.

Was very helpful in me learning Linux. The only alternative I had at the time was a few old Pentium 4 machines, which were very noisy and my parents didn't like me leaving turned on for a long time.

May have lost the magic with regards to price, but they're commodity hardware now.

My rpi3 (that's been running since 2019) died last year and I was able to buy another and just plug in the SD card.

Do sales backup these claims that come up very often or not? Does anyone has any data?

Although the op is not wrong, maybe their decisions are data driven and pay off?

I feel like if RPI doubled down heavily into education, they would be in a much better spot. They really could never win on price in the long run. But having a bit of K-12 and university budgets going to RPIs every year, especially during the "teach the kids programming" era, would I think make them a much healthier business.

Chromebooks did what RPI should have done.

My biggest issue is the lack of really good cases. There are all those fancy peripherals you can buy, but it's really hard to find simple case that works without overheating and no cables sticking out on all four sides.

I love RPI4s for local homelab roles like DNS servers, even for NAS with USB attached external storage, VPN gateways (with Tailscale).

That niche was long taken over by cheap Chinese SBCs, so they have to innovate somehow. Their only advantage that remains is the community.

People have for quite some time been using Googles Tensor chip to accelerate AI workloads on the Pi. I doubt that anyone runs Llms on Pis but stuff like security cameras with object detection...

IMO this is a consequence of Raspberry Pi going for-profit and IPOing. Now they are incentivised to chase the same hype trains as every other public tech company. I can't see them having another "Raspberry Pi moment", those are too risky now.

That said, more options at the (relatively speaking) low end of the AI hardware market probably isn't a bad thing. I'm not particularly an AI enthusiast generally, but if it is going to infest everything anyway, then at least I would like a decent ecosystem for running local models.

That magic now moved to ESP32.

Everyone here is missing the fact that this board was made by a third party, not the Raspberry Pi organization.

Not everything needs to be for everyone. I think this is super cool - I run a local transcription tool on my laptop, and the idea of miniaturising it is super cool.

Gotta get that investor cash.

In regard to their niche, their niche is a ridiculously well-documented ecosystem for SBCs. Want to do something with your RPi? You can find it on Google, and the LLM of your choice is probably trained to give you the answer on how to do it. If you're just tinkering or getting a POC ready, that's a big help.

Of course, if you're in the business of hardware prototyping, and have a set of libraries and programs you know you're going to work with, you don't need to care as much.