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bluGillyesterday at 5:51 PM10 repliesview on HN

Massive trucks are useful for construction. You should get better transit so less people have cars.


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SECProtoyesterday at 5:57 PM

> Massive trucks are useful for construction.

No, trucks are useful, but a massive modern pickup truck is much less useful in the urban context than a standard pickup truck from 30 years ago. The bed size has remained the same, the outside envelope of the vehicle has ballooned massively.

> You should get better transit so less people have cars.

Toronto has a very high (for north america) transit mode share

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culiyesterday at 6:23 PM

Here's a video I wish I could make every American watch

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jN7mSXMruEo

It provides a deep-dive video into the history of how we got to the situation we're in today with American cars exploding in size. It actually has its origins in Obama-era legislation for emissions standards that made an exception for "light trucks". SUVs are legally classified as light trucks so the industry has massively pushed these tanks onto the consumer promising more safety.

It has led to a dramatic decrease in public safety and pedestrian deaths that is unique to the US. One contributor to these deaths is literally parents running over their own children in their own driveways. THIS IS NOT SOMETHING THAT IS HAPPENING IN ANY OTHER COUNTRY.

The video goes over the visibility issues with these trucks, how our safety regulations fail to account for them (light trucks only need to be tested in collision with other light trucks) and also covers how modern trucks have the same carrying capacity as pickup trucks from 30 years ago (the main thing that's increased is the hull and cabin size) while being harder to use for actual work since the bed is higher offer the ground

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mapotofuyesterday at 5:56 PM

Massive trucks are useful for construction when they are used for construction. The ones that are used for leisure are the trucks the poster was likely referring to.

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hooribleyesterday at 5:57 PM

Cranes are also useful for construction, doesn’t mean every fourth house on my street should have one

Sohcahtoa82yesterday at 6:30 PM

I wish I could examine your brain to understand how you think "Massive trucks are useful for construction" is a good counterargument to people using them as daily drivers.

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ponectoryesterday at 9:13 PM

How truck is more useful than a van like ford transit?

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klondike_kliveyesterday at 6:15 PM

No city ever builds transit infrastructure to tempt people out of their cars, they make the experience of driving shittier and shittier to force people off the road, all the while lambasting drivers for making the city dirty and dangerous.

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yabonesyesterday at 5:59 PM

Not really... Most F150s have a 5.5' bed which is pathetically small. You can't fit a sheet of plywood or a 2x4 in there without having the tailgate down. You can only really buy full-sized long box trucks if you're part of a fleet program.

Most professional builders drive big Savannah vans, which can not only carry full sheets of plywood, but also keep them dry. Plus, the front blindspot is less than one meter.

I don't disagree about transit though.

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Ar-Curuniryesterday at 5:58 PM

Most people buying massive trucks (at least in the US) aren't using them for construction.

Also, somehow other countries in the rest of the world seem to get by just fine without these massive trucks.

footyyesterday at 5:59 PM

Ah yes, trucks with empty beds are clearly being used for construction. Not like pavement princesses are a thing.

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