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anvuongyesterday at 6:39 PM17 repliesview on HN

Lawfully? How many IPs have they stolen from universities and companies across the world?


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throw0101dyesterday at 7:59 PM

> Lawfully? How many IPs have they stolen from universities and companies across the world?

Probably about the same as the US when it was a developing nation. "How the United States Stopped Being a Pirate Nation and Learned to Love International Copyright":

> From the time of the first federal copyright law in 1790 until enactment of the International Copyright Act in 1891, U.S. copyright law did not apply to works by authors who were not citizens or residents of the United States. U.S. publishers took advantage of this lacuna in the law, and the demand among American readers for books by popular British authors, by reprinting the books of these authors without their authorization and without paying a negotiated royalty to them.

* https://digitalcommons.pace.edu/plr/vol39/iss1/7/

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faust201yesterday at 6:53 PM

Nice. IP is one thing that has ruined many things. Unless you are WIPO and Oracle Fan.

All current AI companies are closed. What benefit?

Most things from Uni are published openly.

BTW, did people in US pay royalty to China for inventing paper?

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treydyesterday at 7:29 PM

Intellectual property as it exists and is used today overwhelmingly is used to stifle competition and lock down monopolies. It's used to project power internationally by deputizing foreign countries to protect American business interests. It's a far cry from how it's popularly presented as a way for the "little guy" to protect their inventions.

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piva00yesterday at 6:57 PM

Japan did the same in the 70s/80s while growing their homegrown tech companies, over time it seems they've been forgiven. In the end we all benefitted with better products from Sony, Panasonic, Canon, Nikon, and many others.

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mfuzzeyyesterday at 8:17 PM

"stolen" should not be used in conjunction with IP, "infringed" if you like.

To steal is to deny the original owner access to their property. That is true for physical objects, if I steal your wallet or your car you no longer have it.

But if I illegally copy some of your IP you still have access to it. Sure you may experience some financial prejudice from that but you still have it.

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BikiniPrinceyesterday at 6:41 PM

Their train industry was built on ripping off companies they forced into poor agreements. They have wrecked industries with technological theft. I suppose it’s lawful from the CCP perspective.

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Qemyesterday at 8:03 PM

> How many IPs have they stolen from universities and companies across the world?

As it's often said, "There is no honor among thieves":

https://www.nber.org/digest/mar18/confiscation-german-copyri...

joquarkyyesterday at 10:55 PM

IP is unnatural and cannot be "stolen".

And thanks to genAI, it will soon be obsolete.

yongjikyesterday at 7:53 PM

Well, I mean, the US is straight up demanding money from its allies (in the form of an "investment agreement" exclusively controlled by the Trump government), and threatening them with economic doom if they don't comply.

Stealing IPs from universities almost look quirky in comparison.

nicoburnsyesterday at 6:43 PM

They play things according to their own rules, but at least they have some.

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quickthrowmanyesterday at 7:37 PM

Probably around the same amount of IP that US citizens stole from the UK in the 19th century. We stole loads of inventions during the Industrial Revolution.

Does it surprise you to find out that a lot of old money families in the US made their money smuggling opium and other similarly unethical things? We are a nation of crooks and thieves and always have been.

I ask anyone reading this comment to please study history more frequently, it will help you understand the world better.

ta20240528yesterday at 7:32 PM

Fine, I’ll bite. What exactly did China steal in 2025, who did they steal it from, which authorities did the victims approach in China for redress, where did they report failing to get redress?

You would have to know all the above for it to be real.

glemion43yesterday at 7:06 PM

How many resources did the European and American steal from others?

How many humans were stolen by USA alone?

Does it make it better? No.

But that's it. Everything is shit but while USA got rich through manufacturing in the past, now it's China turn

bparsonsyesterday at 7:05 PM

Ask every American AI company what they think of IP protections. Apparently all intellectual property is fair game now.

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delta_p_delta_xyesterday at 7:34 PM

> How many IPs have they stolen

Oh no, the poor trillion-dollar multinationals and multi-billionaires, whatever would they do?

mindslightyesterday at 7:05 PM

The Chinese can just request IPs from APNIC too, you know. Or are you referencing the shenanigans with AFRNIC? That still isn't stealing them from companies and universities though. Is there some ongoing mass BGP route hijacking I'm not aware of?