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energy123today at 1:50 PM0 repliesview on HN

> Solar with storage is an amazing resource. Without storage it's counterproductive if it's grid tied.

Solar creates the economic incentive for storage. Without solar coming first, storage cannot occur.

You can see this in California. In the beginning, it made sense to install only solar, because energy developers are compensated at the margin. Once the grid is saturated with solar, then the marginal economics changes in response to the duck curve, and storage starts to make economic sense.

If you block solar, you block storage. To believe otherwise is to be ignorant of the temporal aspect of the economics.