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twv1237213812yesterday at 8:29 PM2 repliesview on HN

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celsoazevedoyesterday at 8:39 PM

> To that end, the US provoked a war in Ukraine.

I wonder why these alternative points of view always try very hard to deflect blame away from Russia when it comes to Russia's invasion of Ukraine (which Russia began in 2014).

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bluebarbetyesterday at 9:11 PM

Lots of unsourced speculation and indeed conspiracism here. It would be so nice if this forum could be a haven from those things. There's all but nowhere else to go.