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kstenerudyesterday at 8:01 PM5 repliesview on HN

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jimbo808yesterday at 8:13 PM

As long as you pretend these didn't happen:

Iran (1953) - overthrow of the Shah by the CIA

Guatemala (1954) - overthrow of an elected government on behalf of US corporate interests

Cuba (1961) - invaded Cuba via proxy forces, attempted to assassinate Castro (Bay of Pigs)

Vietnam, Laos, Cambodia (1955–1975)

Chile (1973) – overthrow of Salvador Allende

Nicaragua (1980s) - overthrow the Sandinista government (Contra war) without international authorization

Panama (1989) - invaded and overthrew the government without international without international authorizationauthorization

Iraq (2003) - invaded and overthrew the government without international authorization

Serbia (1999) - airstrikes without international authorization

Libya (2011) - exceeded authorization by UN to effect regime change

Syria (2014–present) - US military occupation and oil seizure is ongoing

There are many more, these are the more notable ones

nathan_comptonyesterday at 8:06 PM

King was definitely not protesting in a rules based order, at least not one which applied to black people. Nor was Gandi.

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bluescrnyesterday at 8:19 PM

We haven't had a 'world order'. We've had the threat of mutually-assured destruction.

Which has prevented another world war, but not regional conflicts, a cold war, and whatever the history books decide to call the current social media driven conflict.

nvaderyesterday at 8:13 PM

I share your sense that there is an unsettling in the balance of the world order at present. However, I completely disagree that non-violence has no place in the absence, and I enter into evidence the Satyaagraha movement in British India in the interwar period, especially the leadership of Mahatma Gandhi.

For just one example, see his response to the Massacre of Jallianwalla Bagh, which happened around the time of the end of WWI.

https://www.mkgandhi.org/storyofg/chap18.php

Non-violence formed a backbone of the Indian independence movement until independence was achieved at the close of WWII in 1947.

techright75yesterday at 8:12 PM

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