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dijityesterday at 8:53 PM1 replyview on HN

No, I don't have burden of proof for defending the status quo. That's not how this works.

The legal system processes millions of cases annually. The claim being made here is that it's unjust more often than just... that's an extraordinary claim requiring extraordinary evidence.

I'm not the one who needs to prove the system works. You need to prove it's fundamentally broken. "Plea bargains could coerce innocent people" isn't evidence, it's a handful of cases in millions and heavy speculation about prevalence. I've taken a caution myself when I thought I might prevail at trial, not because I was coerced into a false confession, but because the pragmatic choice was obvious. That's the system working, not breaking.

The Innocence Project has exonerated about 375 people via DNA evidence since 1989. Tragic? Absolutely. Evidence of systemic failure? Do your own fucking maths. That's 375 cases over 35 years in a system processing roughly 20 million criminal cases annually. Even if we're generous and assume there are 10x more wrongful convictions that haven't been discovered, we're still talking about a fraction of a percent.

Show me data demonstrating that false guilty pleas represent anything more than edge cases, or accept that the system, whilst imperfect, generally functions.

The burden is squarely on those claiming otherwise.


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Dylan16807yesterday at 9:03 PM

> No, I don't have burden of proof for defending the status quo. That's not how this works.

Are you trying to win a formal debate or have a productive discussion?

Status quo is a starting point but still needs evidence.

> The legal system processes millions of cases annually. The claim being made here is that it's unjust more often than just... that's an extraordinary claim requiring extraordinary evidence.

Define "unjust".

If someone says it's unfairly biased most of the time, I don't think that's an extraordinary claim.

If someone says it's getting the wrong answer most of the time, yeah that's extraordinary claim, but nobody made that claim.

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