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tomaskafkayesterday at 3:57 PM5 repliesview on HN

That sounds like a rhetoric for better negotiating power against Trump. Chinese are our adversaries (EDIT: enemies, they actually bankroll Russian invasion and supply weapons) and I hope president of France understands that.


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foosteryesterday at 4:02 PM

Chinese are Canadian adversaries mostly because of the US. The US more or less forced Canada to hold Meng Wanzhou, which caused a huge rise in diplomatic tensions and cost Canada billions. Some thanks we got for that.

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afavouryesterday at 4:00 PM

> That sounds like a rhetoric for better negotiating power against Trump.

In the Canadian example at least the deal is signed. It's not just words.

> Chinese are our adversaries

Increasingly the US is a European adversary. They are literally threatening to invade the territory of a European country! China isn't doing that.

Very easy to dismiss it as the rantings of a madman but no-one is holding him back. People didn't take the tariff bluster seriously and then it became very real.

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koe123yesterday at 3:59 PM

Genuinely: why? I feel like they were our geopolitical adversary by proxy cause of USA, but is that still true?

epolanskiyesterday at 4:08 PM

I'm Italian/Polish, China has never done anything to me in history.

Whereas I remember multiple times our allies pillaging and colonizing the country.

Not a fan of their espionage, lack of IP respect and human rights record (albeit we should also look at ourselves on the last one as well). But those are things that could've been challenged diplomatically through economical levers imho.

The only reason China suddenly became the enemy is because their GDP growth put them as the world's biggest economy in few decades and Washington wasn't happy with this.

traceroute66yesterday at 4:14 PM

> I hope president of France understands that

I'm sure he does.

But only a fool would piss off the Chinese.

Both in Macron's own country and his region, there will be hundreds of companies who are already cut-off from Russia, Africa, Middle-East and Central Asia due to geopolitics. China doesn't care and is busy selling there.

So what's left is the remainder of Asia, which is China's home turf where they are already ultra-competitive as they have the geographic advantage.

And of course there will be companies in Macron's country and region using Chinese manufacturing or otherwise engaged in Chinese JVs to get access to sell to the Chinese market.

So for Macron to go full-Trump on China would be a textbook case of cutting your nose to spite your face. The Chinese are masters at playing the long game and the West needs to be careful about knee-jerk short-termism actions.