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mooglyyesterday at 5:25 PM1 replyview on HN

> Despite Trump, the US (and rivals of China like South Korea and Japan) have continued to supply the Ukrainian armed forces and their allies like Poland.

Military supplies have not slowed, that's true, the major difference since Biden is that European nations are now paying for it, but diplomacy and sanctions-wise, interest is waning for every month, it seems. Trump is even derailing the Davos summit. That was supposed to be primarily about Ukraine, but now it's about Greenland.

> A protracted Russia-Ukraine War with the balance of power in favor of Russia means the US, SK, and JP remain bogged supplying Ukraine and it's allies like Poland and Romania, instead of diverting stock to the Asian front.

I'll confess I didn't consider ROK and JP. That's a fair point. Poland and Romania are supply hubs, so I would've worded that "via Poland and Romania" and not made it seem like they are supplied for their own benefit.

> The issue is both the US and China view the EU as a regional power that can be pushed around - not as an entity that can retain strategic autonomy. > [...] neither the US nor China view the EU as an equal, but rather, as a junior partner.

There's no disagreement from me there, and I don't think I claimed that. Europe trying to improve relations with China would be with cap in hand.

> [...] the issue is Europeans view themselves as deserving of being on the same table as the Americans and Chinese. Neither the Americans or Chinese see it that way now.

Certainly many (not all) Europeans have been arrogant and babied with blinders on, and pretended not to have been glorified vassal states to the US via Pax Americana. I think that view is quickly changing. What irks me the most is that I still hear people talk about kicking out the US from NATO, not understanding that without the US, there is no NATO.


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alephnerdyesterday at 7:11 PM

> Trump is even derailing the Davos summit. That was supposed to be primarily about Ukraine, but now it's about Greenland

The Intel Chiefs meeting about Ukraine is still happening [0]

> so I would've worded that "via Poland and Romania" and not made it seem like they are supplied for their own benefit.

Poland [1][2][3] and Romania [4] are also choosing to buy Korean weaponry instead of European.

> Europe trying to improve relations with China would be with cap in hand

It's difficult because the EU can't go cap in hand to China as long as

1. Anti-China leaders like Babis (CZ) remain in power,

2. Deals with Chinese rivals such as the FTA with India (Jan 27th), French modernization of the Vietnamese Armed Forces, the GCAP project with Japan, and Eastern European defense procurement from SK and Japan continue,

3. the EU remains committed to the "rules-based order" (ie. the existing status quo including de facto sovereignty for Taiwan),

4. EU member states continue to have American boots on the ground in the Baltics, Romania, Poland, Germany, and Turkiye

5. The EU does not sign a comprehensive FTA with China

China will always view the EU as not aligned with China. Both China and the US have adopted a "either you are with us or against us" foreign policy.

> What irks me the most is that I still hear people talk about kicking out the US from NATO, not understanding that without the US, there is no NATO.

It's a conundrum.

I think the only way an American NATO commitment will remain is if all NATO countries publicly commit to providing a security umbrella in East Asia.

Similarly, the EU will always be viewed as a rival of China's as long as 1-5 are not resolved in China's favor.

The EU can potentially build it's own space in a multi-polar world, but it will require making some very politically unpopular decisions around rearmament at the expense of social services; aligning with other regional powers such as Israel, India, UAE, KSA, Vietnam, Japan, SK, Brazil, Argentina, etc despite domestic political backlash; and having to back down to the US or China depending on the issue.

[0] - https://www.intelligenceonline.com/europe-russia/2026/01/19/...

[1] - https://www.chosun.com/english/industry-en/2025/06/11/REUTAK...

[2] - https://www.chosun.com/english/industry-en/2024/08/19/GY7PG4...

[3] - https://www.chosun.com/english/national-en/2022/12/08/6DXIBF...

[4] - https://www.koreatimes.co.kr/southkorea/defense/20240710/kor...