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Night_Thastusyesterday at 7:13 PM1 replyview on HN

People naturally want to maximize the value they extract from any system.

If you hand individuals or groups the internet, they will naturally use it for spam, advertisement, scams, information harvesting, propaganda, etc - because those are what gain them the most.

The 'enshittification' if the internet was inevitable the moment it came into existence, and is the result of the decision of its users just as much as any one central authority.

If you let people communicate with each other on a large scale at high speeds, that's what you get.

The only way to avoid the problem is to make a system that has some combination of the following:

* No one uses

* Is slow

* Is cumbersome to use

* Has significant barriers to entry

* Is feature-poor

In a such a system, there's little incentive to have the same bad behaviors.


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DataDaoDeyesterday at 9:57 PM

We'd probably agree on this: people respond to incentives created by system design. One example that comes to mind is how London's Congestion Charge and how it has changed traffic behavior over the years depending on how the rules change.

There is nothing inherent about fast, large-scale, or user-friendly communication that forces spam, scams, or propaganda. Its just that those outcomes emerge when things like engagement, attention, or "reach" are rewarded without being aligned to quality, truth, or mutual cooperation.

This is a well-studied problem in economics, but also behavioral science and psychology: change the incentive and feedback structure, and behavior reliably changes.

Based on the studies I've read in and around this topic, I think harmful dynamics are not inevitable properties of communication, but really contingent on how each system rewards actions taken by participants. The solution is not slowness or barriers, but better incentive alignment and feedback loops.