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zamadatixtoday at 2:29 AM1 replyview on HN

> The distinction you're trying to draw here, between exclusively using NAT to provide security, versus it being one component of a stack of network controls that could just as easily be replaced with others, isn't meaningful.

That's not the distinction I, or TFA, set out to make.

It's not that NAT is a component of controls that could be replaced by others, it's that whether NAT was put in place for security or if it was always assumed you need an actual stateful firewall precisely because NAT was never intended or believed to provide meaningful security, even in the days of classful networking.

Not one of the references above makes claim that NAT was intended to provide security on its own. That the PIX launched with actual firewalling capabilities does not bolster that NAT=security, it actually bolsters that NAT was never believed or intended to provide security even further.

To turn this back around at you: The distinction you're drawing that NAT could have provided "something better than nothing" in terms of security if appliances like the PIX hadn't always shipped firewalling from day 1 isn't meaningful.


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tptacektoday at 2:32 AM

The whole point of NAT firewalls is that the devices behind it don't have routable addresses. "Statefulness" improves the situation, but the translation itself provides a material control.

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