Yeah, that line, "people say Zoom is secure", instantly reminded me of how they opened a port on localhost that any website could connect to to run admin shit on the system. So I wonder, who says it's secure?

Never mind the government surveillance.

Yeah I have to use Zoom for work, but I wrote a little script that installs it without the background services and privileged helper tools

https://raw.githubusercontent.com/jamesy0ung/zoom_grabber/re...

I found a zoom daemon running on my kid's MacBook a year after uninstalling it. Turns out uninstall didn't kill background processes, needed a reboot to flush it away.