alt Hacker NewsNot to dismiss other people's experience, but thinking improves thinking. People tend to forget that you can ask yourself questions and try to answer them. There is such thing as recursive thinking where you end up with a new thought you didn't have before you started.
Don't dismiss this superpower you have in your own head.
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Agreed; also a kind of recursive placebo tends to happen in my experience:
10 You recognise your thinking (or some other desirable activity) has improved
20 You're excited about it
30 You engage more with the thinking (or other activity)
40 You get even better results
50 Even more excitement
60 GOTO 30
No one is arguing that thinking doesn’t improve thinking. But expressing thoughts precisely by formulating them into the formalized system of the written word adds a layer of metacognition and effort to the thinking process that simply isn’t there when 'just' thinking in your head. It’s a much more rigorous form of thinking with more depth - which improves deeper, more effortful thinking.
See also rubberducking [1]
I've seen people solve their own issues by asking me / telling me about something and finding the solution without me having the time to reply numerous times.
Just articulating your thoughts (and using more of your brain on them by voicing them) helps a lot.
Some talk to themselves out loud and we are starting to realize it actually helps.
Just like how writing helps memorisation. Our brains are efficient, they only do what they have to do. Just like you won't build much muscles from using forklifts.
I've seen multiple cases of... inception. Someone going all in with ChatGPT and what not to create their strategy. When asked _anything_ about it, they defended it as if they came up with it, but could barely reason about it. Almost as if they were convinced it was their idea, but it really wasn't. Weird times.
When I was a kid people told me I needed no Chess Computer - You can play chess in your head, you know ? I really tried, no luck. Got a mediocre device for Christmas, couldn't beat it for a while, couldn't lose against it soon after. Won some tournaments in my age group and beyond. Thought there must be more interesting problems to solve, got degrees in Math, Law and went into politics for a while. Friends from College call on your birthday, invite you to their weddings, they work on problems in medicine, economics, niches of math you've never heard of - you listen, a couple of days later, you wake up from a weird dream and wonder, ask Opus 4.5/Gemini 3.0 deepthink some questions, call them back: "did you try X ?" they tell you, that they always considered you a genius. You feel good about yourself for a moment before you remember that Von Neumann needed no LLMs and that José Raúl Capablanca died over half a decade before Turing wrote down the first algorithm for a Chess Computer. An Email from a client pops up, he isn't gonna pay your bill unless you make one more modification to that CRUD app. You want to eat and get back to work. Can't help but think about Eratosthenes who needed neither glasses nor telescopes to figure out the earths circumference. Would he have marvelled at the achievements of Newton and his successors at NASA or made fun of those nerds that needed polished pieces of glass not only to figure out the mysteries of the Universe but even for basic literacy.
I'm mystified by this comment. Do people really forget that they can think in their own mind?
Unfortunately we do neglect more and more of our own innate talents. Imagine sitting there just thinking, without even a reMarkable to keep notes? Do people even trust their memory beyond their immediate working memory?
I almost entirely agree with you, but the issue is that the information you currently have might not be enough to get the answers you want through pure deduction. So how do you get more information?
I think chatbots are a very clumsy way to get information. Conversations tend to be unfocused until you, the human, take an interest in something more specific and pursue it. You're still doing all the work.
It's also too easy to believe in the hype and think it's at least better than talking to another person with more limited knowledge. The fact is talking has always sucked. It's slow, but a human is still better because they can deduce in ways LLMs never will. Deduction is not mere pattern matching or correlation. Most key insights are the result of walking a long tight rope of deductions. LLMs are best at summarizing and assisting with search when you don't know where to start.
And so we are still better off reading a book containing properly curated knowledge, thinking about it for a while, and then socializing with other humans.
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Writing improves thinking, and when uses correctly, LLMs can increase the rate at which one writes, journals and refines their thoughts.
Recursive self-questioning predates external tools and is already well known. What is new is broad access to a low cost, non retaliatory dialogic interface that removes many social, sexual, and status pressures. LLMs do not make people think. They reduce interpersonal distortions that often interfere with thinking. That reduction in specific social biases (while introducing model encoded priors) is what can materially improve cognition for reflective and exploratory tasks.
Simply, when thinking hits a wall, we can now consult a machine via conversation interface lacking conventional human social biases. That is a new superpower.
In my experience LLMs offer two advantages over private thinking:
1) They have access to a vast array of extremely well indexed knowledge and can tell me about things that I'd never have found before.
2) They are able to respond instantly and engagingly, while working on any topic, which helps fight fatigue, at least for me. I do not know how universal this effect is, but using them often means that I can focus for longer. I can also make them do drudgery, like refactoring 500 functions in mostly the same way that is just a little bit too complicated for deterministic tools to do, which also helps with fatigue.
Ideally, they'd also give you a more unique perspective or push-back when appropriate, but they are yes-men too much right now for that to be the case.
Lastly, I am not arguing to not do private thinking too. My argument is that LLM-involved thinking is useful as its own thing.