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quantumfissure • yesterday at 7:42 PM • 5 replies • view on HN

You obviously are not very old or know a lot about US history. You should read up, nothing what you mention is new.

  >They are pushing the Ten Commandments in Texas and Louisiana schools
10 Commandments and religion in schools has been a battle since the beginning of the public school era. It was a huge deal specifically in the 1920's; 60's; and the 90's and 2000's. This is nothing new.

  >ICE agents to perform warrantless home invasions, and arresting US Citizens or their kids in below freezing temperatures
Wait till you hear about a kid named Elian Gonzalez from 2000. One of the most famous examples

  >This is a government that does not believe in the constitution.
I can't wait until you read the part about the PATRIOT Act, renewed consistently by both parties and supported by all three branches of Government. Also plate readers and tracking put in by the Obama administration. Expansion of Border Patrol by the same administration.

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singleshot_ • yesterday at 10:26 PM

> Wait till you hear about a kid named Elian Gonzalez from 2000. One of the most famous examples

A brief fact check: Elián González was and is not a US citizen, nor was he the child of US citizens, nor was he arrested by ICE, nor was the raid that resulted in his capture performed without a warrant.

I might wait to hear about him until I encounter someone with more accurate information.

DangitBobby • yesterday at 7:47 PM

People tend to believe that the direction of progress should be forward, I guess.

nilamo • yesterday at 8:28 PM

Just because we were a bad country in the past, does not mean we should continue to be a bad one today.

IAmBroom • yesterday at 9:33 PM

"BSAB" Fallacy detected.

mmooss • yesterday at 8:03 PM

Finding some precedents doesn't address the major changes. Do you really dispute there have been major changes in executive branch behavior?

> Wait till you hear about a kid named Elian Gonzalez

Elian's mother died at sea, trying to reach the US from Cuba with Elian. Elian's father sought to bring the child back to Cuba, but an uncle in Miami refused to surrender custody. Obviously, barring something unusual, a father has custody of their child and the INS, courts, and Department of Justice agreed. There was an extensive legal process and also mediation.

It became a partisan political issue and after all that the uncle still refused to surrender Elian. Law enforcement forcibly removed the child and gave custody to the father.

I don't see how that is related to the current warrantless home invasion policy.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eli%C3%A1n_Gonz%C3%A1lez

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