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Noaiditoday at 2:38 PM3 repliesview on HN

Apple will do this too. Your laptop encryption key is stored in your keychain (without telliing you!). All is needed is a warrant for your iCloud account and they also have access to your laptop.

sixcolors.com/post/2025/09/filevault-on-macos-tahoe-no-longer-uses-icloud-to-store-its-recovery-key/


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betabytoday at 4:09 PM

> Your laptop encryption key is stored in your keychain

Probably not if one is not using Apple cloud on their laptops.

> stored in your keychain (without telliing you!)

How to verify that? Any commands/tools/guides?

_blktoday at 2:46 PM

Thanks, that's good to know. I suspect WhatsApp's "we're fully E2E encrypted" would be similar too.

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eddygtoday at 2:55 PM

Wrong.

You can (and should) watch all of https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BLGFriOKz6U&t=1993s for the details about how iCloud is protected by HSMs and rate limits to understand why you’re wrong, but especially the time-linked section… instead of spreading FUD about something you know nothing about.

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