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serial_devyesterday at 6:42 PM3 repliesview on HN

In a professional setting where you still have coding standards, and people will review your code, and the code actually reaches hundreds of thousands of real users, handling one agent at a time is plenty for me. The code output is never good enough, and it makes up stuff even for moderately complicated debugging ("Oh I can clearly see the issue now", I heard it ten times before and you were always wrong!)

I do use them, though, it helps me, search, understand, narrow down and ideate, it's still a better Google, and the experience is getting better every quarter, but people letting tens or hundreds of agents just rip... I can't imagine doing it.

For personal throwaway projects that you do because you want to reach the end output (as opposed to learning or caring), sure, do it, you verify it works roughly, and be done with it.


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pronyesterday at 8:26 PM

This is my problem with the whole "can LLMs code?" discussion. Obviously, LLMs can produce code, well even, much like a champion golfer can get a hole in one. But can they code in the sense of "the pilot can fly the plane", i.e. barring a catastrophic mechanical malfunction or a once-in-a-decade weather phenomennon, the pilot will get the plane to its destination safely? I don't think so.

To me, someone who can code means someone who (unless they're in a detectable state of drunkenness, fatigue, illness, or distraction) will successfully complete a coding task commensurate with some level of experience or, at the very least, explain why exactly the task is proving difficult. While I've seen coding agents do things that truly amaze me, they also make mistakes that no one who "can code" ever makes. If you can't trust an LLM to complete a task anyone who can code will either complete or explain their failure, then it can't code, even if it can (in the sense of "a flipped coin can come up heads") sometimes emit impressive code.

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prmoustacheyesterday at 9:07 PM

> people will review your code,

People will ask LLM to review some slop made by LLM and they will be absolutely right!

There is no limit to lazyness.

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KaiserProyesterday at 7:40 PM

> people will review your code,

I mean you'd think. But it depends on the motivations.

At meta, we had league tables for reviewing code. Even then people only really looked at it if a) they were a nitpicking shit b) don't like you and wanted piss on your chips c) its another team trying to fix our shit.

With the internal claude rollout and the drive to vibe code all the things, I'm not sure that situation has got any better. Fortunately its not my problem anymore

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