alt Hacker News> Do EV manufacturers use any other tricks not covered by this?
Automotive EE here. EV aren’t ready for world wide use. That statement is constantly ignored by people in California who see zero issues with their new expensive fancy cars.
Shortest version… The heating and cooling systems of the battery are there to prevent damage. BUT… who powers the heating and cooling systems? The battery of course.
In a traditional or better yet a plugin hybrid, you can use the gas engine to control how much electric you are using in conditions that would be harmful to the battery. In EV vehicles you have no choice. The car won’t tell you “you can’t drive right now”.
The marketing of EVs was a mistake, and every mfg is paying for it. Ford taking a 2 billion write off this year on their EV line and canceling a lot of their vehicles.
They will be cool, but this generation makes a great second vehicle or town vehicle. Absolutely not an extreme weather highway vehicle.
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...what? You leave your car plugged in, and that's it. Then the BMS will take care of the battery without having to use it's energy.
If I preheat the car it also preheats the battery. If it's not warm enough it won't allow full recuperation. Oh my god, I have to use THE BRAKES for a few minutes, literal trash car.
And all those people in Norway, you know, with their heat pumps and EVs. Obviously life just grinds to a halt there every winter. *dramatic eye roll
They seem to be working just fine here in snowy Norway.
How is this not an instance of "perfect is the enemy of good enough?"?
> EV aren’t ready for world wide use.
Fully agree (I'm 100% team PHEV or EREV/REEV) as a mechanical engineer. IMO BEVs and PHEVs/REEVs should be on parity in terms of tax/govt incentives, while encouraging electric use - for eg, subsidized (PH)EV charging, high(er) costs in city centres if running in ICE mode, etc.
I was just curious if EV manufacturers use any other tricks that're "well known" in EV-land but not for the average consumer.
Are you a technician or an engineer? And as a follow up, what part of the vehicle do you engineer?
Because this sounds a lot like a case of a dentist seeing a lot of cavities and making conclusions that teeth are "bad tech".
I live in a climate that's in yearly flux from -20 to +35 C and EVs have been normal here for a long time(7+ years) with no major issues. What parameters and therefore regions does your statement cover? I'm sure you can't run an EV in Syberia(RU), but people with petrol cars there have to run them even parked to avoid freezing during the winter so there will always be extremes.
As for the commercial equation: BYD and Tesla don't seem to be fitting that narrative. So this is not a matter of a marketing mistake - but an overall execution on the failed manufacturers.