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puppionyesterday at 10:03 PM8 repliesview on HN

This rule didn't hold in Israel in the last 3 years. Well over 3.5% went to the streets and the government remains in tact.


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terminalshortyesterday at 10:21 PM

What do you mean by "went to the streets?" If it's just show up at a protest and wave a sign on Saturday and Sunday, and go back to work on Monday, that's not enough. That's not civil resistance. People seriously underestimate the commitment levels necessary to actually matter.

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smallerizeyesterday at 10:14 PM

It doesn't work if the opposition is also organized. For example, a March 2003 Gallup poll showed that 5% of the US population had made a public opposition to the Iraq war, but 21% had made a public display to support the war. Small minorities can't go directly against more popular movements.

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stevenwooyesterday at 10:07 PM

So far, if estimates are accurate, neither in Iran with 90 million population, more than five percent turned out.

pedalpeteyesterday at 10:08 PM

I have no idea how many Iranians have been involved in the protests, but it seems like they're getting past the 3.5% number as well..

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conceptionyesterday at 10:21 PM

Paper says non-violent is ~50/50 vs one in four for violent. So not a sure thing.

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midlanderyesterday at 11:05 PM

The rule doesn’t really make sense in a small country with proportional representation. The government can stay in power as long as a majority of the country wants it to stay in power.

alephnerdyesterday at 10:25 PM

> This rule didn't hold in Israel [...]

It did (ie. Revolutionary thresholds) until 10/7 and Hezbollah's shelling of the north changed the calculus.

There was increased pressure from senior IDF careerists, industry titans, and intelligence alums (oftentimes the 3 were the same) against the government's judicial reforms which was about to reach the tip over point (eg. threats of capital outflows, leaking dirty laundry, corporate shutdowns/wildcat strikes, and resignations of extremely senior careerists), but then 10/7 happened along with the mass evacuation of the North, which led everyone to set aside their differences.

Israel is a small country (same population and size as the Bay Area) so everyone either knows someone or was personally affected by the southern massacre or the northern evacuation.

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erxamyesterday at 10:29 PM

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