It goes far beyond hungry people stealing bread. Look at one of those academic fraud discussions had here on HN over the past week and you'll find people saying that using AI to hallucinate an academic paper isn't a good thing but instead of judging the people who do this we should blame society itself while being understanding of the frauds. The mentality spoken above is pervasive and insidious.
I saw that, it was bizarre enough to be seared into my memory. I think you're underestimating just how weird that particular conversation was.
The pervasive problems you see in places like SF or much of the UK are just far more boring.