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cmiles8yesterday at 4:04 PM11 repliesview on HN

Their fate seemed sealed when it was revealed a bit back that the “just walk out” technology was more hype than substance. Just lots of people watching what you’re doing on camera vs an actual AI that worked well at mass deployment scale. A good idea, poorly executed.

Reports said the “AI” was largely 1000+ people in India watching the cameras.

If Amazon actually managed to build AI that worked well at a decent cost point it would have been great since nobody likes those silly self checkout machines.

What’s amusing about all of this is that before it got leaked that it was basically a bunch of people in India watching cameras Amazon folks spoke about the tech like there was some super secret AI they developed. Since that story broke nobody there seems to want to talk about “just walk out” anymore.


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lumostyesterday at 4:07 PM

Even that didn't work well, when I was at an airport recently I had investigated 4-5 items as I had some time to kill. When I was walking out it wanted to bill me for 70 dollars even though I only had a bottle of water and a candy bar.

I have little trust that a corporate behemoth will do right by me and refund the discrepancy at an unspecified later time as it says it will on checkout.

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chilmersyesterday at 4:33 PM

Yeah, we had one near us, close to the metro exit, and it was genuinely great when you needed to grab something for dinner on the way home. Once you knew where things were, you could be in and out in 20 seconds. That said, it never seemed busy compared to other grocery shops in the area, so I think a lot of people were put off by it feeling "weird" to shop without checking-out.

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Ferniciayesterday at 5:31 PM

> Reports said the “AI” was largely 1000+ people in India watching the cameras.

This was totally fake news though. Those people were labeling training data and reviewing low confidence labels, after the fact. There wasn't ever live monitoring of shoppers.

usefulposteryesterday at 4:20 PM

AI: Actually Individuals¹

¹ Individuals manning a labyrinthine system of cameras and sensor fusion, like hawks, logging the precise moment you plop a Twix into your basket! Praise Bezos!

AppleAtChayesterday at 5:44 PM

Do people really have problems with self-checkout? I use it all the time in box stores like Kroger, Walmart, Home Depot, etc. It seems to work just fine for me and doesn't add more than a minute or two vs just walking out of the store.

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GorbachevyChaseyesterday at 8:12 PM

I’m a bit surprised a publicly traded company is allowed to make materially false claims about their products and capabilities without getting into a major lawsuit for defrauding shareholders. Maybe Amazon is just above such trifling things such as law.

hackingonemptyyesterday at 4:21 PM

There is no difference from the customer perspective so the store failed for reasons that have nothing to do with the "just walk out" technology or lack thereof. Why spend lots of money doing R&D only to find out that the concept doesn't sell? Wait for the product to be successful before spending the money to scale it up. Same as anything else.

"Do things that don't scale."

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bsimpsonyesterday at 4:23 PM

That 90s IBM commercial was pretty rad though.

in_a_holeyesterday at 5:25 PM

A.I. = Actually Indians

MengerSpongeyesterday at 6:10 PM

AI: Actually Indians

bayarearefugeeyesterday at 5:08 PM

> Since that story broke nobody there seems to want to talk about “just walk out” anymore.

Optimus and Robotaxi are just as fake and Elon Musk never shuts up about them.

I guess Amazon never learned the important lesson that the OP meta for modern technology companies is just to consistently and blatantly lie.