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drakythetoday at 4:12 PM9 repliesview on HN

430,000 years? Am I reading this headline correctly? (since the site seems to have fallen victim to the HN-hug-of-death). That seems wildly further back than I understood humans to have tools, or even homo sapiens to have existed.

ETA: Today I learned I had a much much larger gap in knowledge than I thought I did. Thanks to everyone for the information and links!


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throwup238today at 4:19 PM

Tools predate homo sapiens (which emerged about 300 kYA) by millions of years. The first stone industry - Oldowan - is at least two million years old and might be as old as three million. They predate what we call “archaic humans” by a long time.

Even this evidence of woodworking is largely unremarkable. We’ve got phytolith [1] and microwear [2] studies showing unambiguous evidence of woodworking going back at least 1.5 million years. Wood tools just don’t survive very long, so this find is most notable for its preservation.

[1] https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S00472...

[2] https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S00472...

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abetusktoday at 4:47 PM

As others mentioned, tool use wasn't restricted to homo sapiens. I think this makes sense, no? We didn't spontaneously use tools, it must have evolved incrementally in some way.

I think we see shades of this today. Bearded Capuchin monkeys chain a complex series of tasks and use tools to break nuts. From a brief documentary clip I saw [0], they first take the nut and strip away the outer layer of skin, leave it dry out in the sun for a week, then find a large soft-ish rock as the anvil with a heavier smaller rock to break open the nut. So they had to not only figure out that nuts need to be pre-shelled and dried, but that they needed a softer rock for the anvil and harder rock for the hammer. They also need at least some type of bipedal ability to carry the rock in the first place and use it as a hammer.

Apparently some white-faced Capuchins have figured out that they can soak nuts in water to soften it before hammering it open [1].

[0] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fFWTXU2jE14

[1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N7sJq2XUiy8

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llmslavetoday at 9:07 PM

The big secret: certain pools of ancient humans have been smart for alot longer than modern evolutionary theory wants to admit

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doctoboggantoday at 4:15 PM

Yes it's definitely further back than homo sapiens have existed (200k - 300k years), but our ancestor species were known to have used tools and control fire. I believe we have evidence of tool use going back 1 million years. So this article is referencing the oldest known _wooden_ tools, which are obviously much less likely to be preserved across the ages.

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j_bumtoday at 4:19 PM

We have evidence that non Homo sapiens bipeds (e.g., Neanderthals, Homo habilis) used tools far before we came onto the scene. A long lineage of hominin species came before humans!

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thechaotoday at 7:51 PM

Then ... you find out that smoking was introduced to the new world in the 16th c, and indigenous North Americans didn't start using the bow & arrow ubiquitously until after the year 1000. But! Native North Americans were using copper contemporaneously with the old world.

MengerSpongetoday at 5:36 PM

You might be old enough to have been taught that Humans are tool-using apes. That's tragically incomplete: lots of apes use tools. Birds use tools. And now, cows use tools!

Cow tools: https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cj0n127y74go

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cow_tools

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dyauspitrtoday at 4:15 PM

It wasn’t Homo sapiens most likely. We have found stone tools made by Erectus.

roystingtoday at 7:16 PM

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