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blixtratoday at 7:06 PM14 repliesview on HN

Hi, Chris here, CEO @ Amutable. We are very excited about this. Happy to answer questions.


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josephcsibletoday at 7:25 PM

This seems like the kind of technology that could make the problem described in https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/can-you-trust.en.html a lot worse. Do you have any plans for making sure it doesn't get used for that?

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microtonaltoday at 7:14 PM

Really excited to a company investing into immutable and cryptographically verifiable systems. Two questions really:

1. How will the company make money? (You have probably been asked that a million times :).)

2. Similar to the sibling: what are the first bits that you are going to work on.

At any rate, super cool and very nice that you are based in EU/Germany/Berlin!

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mikewarottoday at 8:29 PM

How do you plan handle the confused deputy problem?[1]

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confused_deputy_problem

egypturnashtoday at 8:36 PM

"We are building cryptographically verifiable integrity into Linux systems. Every system starts in a verified state and stays trusted over time."

What does this mean? Why would anyone want this? Can you explain this to me like I'm five years old?

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direwolf20today at 7:16 PM

Do you plan to sell this technology to laptop makers so their laptops will only run the OS they came with?

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kfredstoday at 8:15 PM

1. Are reproducible builds and transparency logging part of your concept?

2. Are you looking for pilot customers?

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Thaxlltoday at 8:10 PM

I always wondered how this works in practice for "real time" use cases because we've seen with secure boot + tpm that we can attest that the boot was genuine at some point in the past, what about modifications that can happen after that?

fortytoday at 8:42 PM

Will this do remote attestation ? What hardware platforms will it support? (Intel sgx, AMD sev, AWS nitro?)

redleader55today at 7:08 PM

Can you share more details at this point about what you are trying to tackle as a first step?

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hahahahhaahtoday at 7:12 PM

I'll ask the dumb question sorry!

Who is this for / what problem does it solve?

I guess security? Or maybe reproducability?

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stackghosttoday at 7:14 PM

Hi Chris,

One of the most grating pain points of the early versions of systemd was a general lack of humility, some would say rank arrogance, displayed by the project lead and his orbiters. Today systemd is in a state of "not great, not terrible" but it was (and in some circles still is) notorious for breaking peoples' linux installs, their workflows, and generally just causing a lot of headaches. The systemd project leads responded mostly with Apple-style "you're holding it wrong" sneers.

It's not immediately clear to me what exactly Amutable will be implementing, but it smells a lot like some sort of DRM, and my immediate reaction is that this is something that Big Tech wants but that users don't.

My question is this: Has Lennart's attitude changed, or can linux users expect more of the same paternalism as some new technology is pushed on us whether we like it or not?

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whopdrizzardtoday at 8:01 PM

fantastic news, congrats on launching! it's a great mission statement a fanstastic ensemble for the job

bijanttoday at 8:34 PM

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