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eth0upyesterday at 8:54 PM2 repliesview on HN

After over a decade of Debian, when I upgraded my PC, I tried every big systemd-based distro, including opensuse, which I wholly loathed. I finally decided on Void and feel at home as I did 20+ years ago when I began.

There are serious problems with the systemd paradigm, most of which I couldn't argue for or against. But at least in Void, I can remove network-manger altogether, use cron as I always have, and generally remain free to do as I please until eventually every package there is has systemd dependencies which seems frightfully plausible at this pace.

Void is as good as I could have wanted. If that ever goes, I guess it's either BSD or a cave somewhere.

I'm glad to see the terse questions here. They're well warranted.


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jamespoyesterday at 9:01 PM

How is systemd stopping you use cron?

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TacticalCodertoday at 2:19 AM

> Void is as good as I could have wanted. If that ever goes, I guess it's either BSD or a cave somewhere.

If systemd-less Linux ever go, there are indeed still the BSDs. But I thought long and hard about this and already did some testing: I used to run Xen back in the early hardware-virt days and nowadays I run Proxmox (still, sadly, systemd-based).

An hypervisor with a VM and GPU passthrough to the VM is at least something too: it's going to be a long long while before people who want to take our ability to control our machines will be able to prevent us from running a minimal hypervisor and then the "real" OS in a VM controlled by the hypervisor.

I did GPU passthrough tests and everything works just fine: be it Linux guests (which I use) or Windows guests (which I don't use).

My "path" to dodge the cave you're talking about is going to involved an hypervisor (atm I'm looking at the FreeBSD's bhyve hypervisor) and then a VM running systemd-less Linux.

And seen that, today, we can run just about every old system under the sun in a VM, I take we'll all be long dead before evil people manage to prevent us from running the Linux we want, the way we want.

You're not alone. And we're not alone.

I simply cannot stand the insufferable arrogance of Agent Poettering. Especially not seen the kitchen sink that systemd is (systemd ain't exactly a homerun and many are realizing that fact now).