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rvnxyesterday at 5:41 PM0 repliesview on HN

> When companies like Meta claim they support E2EE, this is what they claim.

Well, that statement can only resolve to true.

These requests of data collection are perfectly legal. FBI DITU gives an order: give me all chats from *@banana.com and they receive banana.com.

From there, two choices from the perspective of a tech provider:

a) You accept. You get paid.

    You can always claim you had been coerced / are a victim, and that everything has been done by the law.
b) You refuse. It's a crime.

    You take the risk to lose over 250K per day (!) in fines, some other court scandals that will come to you, some shady private stuff (what if we learn about your secret jacuzzi ?), harassement of the team, be publicly shamed that you supported terrorists who caused actual death of Americans, etc.

    In addition, nobody will know that you are the privacy hero and you are not even sure that the data is not exfiltrated another way.

To this day, Apple, Facebook, Google still deny participating in illegal requests. They claim these were lawful requests, that have been carefully looked one-by-one.

Yes, we looked carefully and decided we won't enjoy losing 100M USD and go to jail.

The trick is that the identifier / wildcard can be very vague and wide. Or there can be multiple of them, each of them are narrow, but put one of top of the other they are super wide.