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ryandrakeyesterday at 6:03 PM11 repliesview on HN

Apple does this all the time, though, and seems to get a free pass here. I have four Macs in my home, and they are cut off at Ventura (for the 2017 iMac), Monterey (for the 2014 Mac Mini and the 2015 MacBook Air), and El Capitan (for the 2014 iMac). They are all stuck at 3, 4, and 5 major OS versions back. Nobody really seems to complain about this, though.


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ufmaceyesterday at 6:32 PM

I don't think it's the same. On older Apple hardware, it just keeps on running on the older OS version. You don't get some new features or styling of the new OS, but nothing else changes. On Windows, it periodically brings up full-screen notifications that your hardware is obsolete and you need to upgrade, with the only options being to upgrade or "remind me again later".

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throwawaysoxjjeyesterday at 7:44 PM

Because Apple been continuously doing deprecating hardware regularly since the mid 90s. And they’ll processor architecture every 10-15 years.

Microsoft was the backward compatibility king.

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radium3dyesterday at 6:17 PM

They don't get a free pass, I think people have spoken with their wallets and it shows with the user base counts: Windows 66–73%, macOS 14–16%, Linux 3–4%.

Apple seems to support their previous generation OS on older macs for ~8-9 years or so from what I've seen. You just don't get the latest generation features, they cut it off and move on similar to how Microsoft did.

PTOByesterday at 6:32 PM

Apple only gets a free pass from folks who are invested in that particular kind of ... relationship.

everdriveyesterday at 6:26 PM

I think Apple gets a pass because they're a luxury product. For the record, even though Apple has some really impressive hardware, this is one of the reasons I'm not very big on Apple. People praise their phone's longevity all the time, but I think this is crazy. I could be running a 13 year old computer right now and it would work fine if I had Linux. Smartphones don't really have options for this due to the market capture. Apple's PC could be supported longer, but Apple isn't interested in doing it. (and apparently they change architectures every 15 years anyhow.)

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b00ty4breakfastyesterday at 6:15 PM

because desktop Apple users have been domesticated for decades now and just accept whatever shows up in the feeding trough.

baschyesterday at 6:10 PM

I would say its part of the promise/agreement of buying into the ecosystem, and a known caveat. Might be overly optimistic viewpoint.

cgriswaldyesterday at 7:41 PM

They didn’t get a pass from me. My MacPro has been running Linux longer than it ran MacOS. Apple stopped supporting it officially at Mojave but I jumped ship earlier when I was forced to do a clean install rather than an upgrade because I had a RAID.

muyuuyesterday at 9:04 PM

idk what other people give passes to, but I had been a Linux desktop user since the mid 90s and Mac laptop user since ~G3 iBook years and I finally gave up on their laptops a few years ago; so it's mainly linux-linux now

i think the last straw was the added telemetry that required so much effort to get rid of, but also for years they have made clear moves to make their laptops iOS-like progressively, which I cannot stand on so many levels

stalfosknightyesterday at 8:15 PM

Apple will provide software and hardware support for any given product for at least 5 years. After those 5 years, you sometimes will still get security fixes.

The reason for this is that newer software will start using hardware features and capabilities that only exist on newer hardware, not because Tim Cook is evilly cackling in his office "hahhahha! Let's force people to buy new Macs!!!"

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gogascayesterday at 8:15 PM

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