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zahlmanyesterday at 6:54 PM1 replyview on HN

This has nothing to do with racism, and the implication is offensive. In the age of English common law, nations and states were conceived of fundamentally differently.


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vel0cityyesterday at 8:27 PM

> This has nothing to do with racism, and the implication is offensive.

The history of the 14th amendment, Jus Soli, and birthright citizenship have loads of racism in their debates and history. I'm not necessarily calling you a racist here, I'm just pointing out many racists do these things for racist reasons. But you are the one suggesting the citizenship rights guaranteed by the 14th amendment is immoral.

If you're truly ignorant of the history of the 14th Amendment and it's connection to racism you really need to read up on the US Civil War.

> In the age of English common law

We're still living in the age of English Common Law in many ways. It guides a massive part of our legal theory. I point to it because it seems you're taking the position the US is rare in its application of Jus Soli, as if only we made it up somewhat recently.

For practically all free white babies born to immigrants living in the US even before the 14th Amendment Jus Soli was the standard. Racism prevented granting this right to others.

What moral reasons do you give to not give citizenship to those born here? How is the 14th Amendment immoral?

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